Dr.Love = A 9 year old!?

[toonces]

america... what are you doing....

[Mojo]

I'm usually a sympathetic guy, but this thread is retarded.

[Kohan]

The OP has a Ralphie avatar however, and for this, I respect them.

[Mojo]

I'm forced to concede to this point.

[Mizango]

america... what are you doing....

Raising the bar for the rest of the world! Duh.

[chillin]

lol

[Kuya]

When one is of age, to have sex is to show one is not only fertile, or biologically capable, but also socially capable in convincing the opposite sex to have sex with you. I disagree that it is a detriment for men who have a conviction to remain celibate. They can do whatever as they please, especially in the US. Generally speaking, people just think restraining from sex is weird because it is fighting against your biological impulse and societal norm. Bluntly put, it's unnatural. There will always people judging you regarding sex. You're doing it too young, your partner is too old, your partner is the same sex. It's something you would have to ignore.

On the topic of men's objectification of women, that is the way it always has been. It used to be worse when men raided villages and captured women as rewards. You should be happy that we have come a long way and will continue to progress in the future.

I find it contradictory that you say that's the way it has always been, for both paragraphs and with the same breath invoke the idea that human history is linear and progressive.

The thing you mention about men raiding villages and raping; i don't think you understand what objectification means. The example you mention is more of an example of rape used as a weapon of war; what doesn't get turned into an object in a human activity made for the destruction of other human beings, i don't know, but certainly when we say some men think it their objective to have sex with women because it accomplishes what they believe is a goal in life, we mean something completely different from the sort of "objectification" that can go on in a context of war, where fear is the primary goal. Everyone in war is an object, however it is women who tend to be portrayed in the context of commodities when it comes to sex.

How often do we hear women and money being uttered in the same sentence? I don't think you can deny that they're both made out to be goals that every person (men) should strive for. Whether it's a good idea to put women in the same category as money as things you should possess and use is something of a debate i don't think you can just brush aside as "it's always happened or well at least we aren't raping them a lot".

[Kuya]

Kuya, if we reject your definition of "virgin" in regards to sex to have anything to do with purity, and instead just having to do with lack of sexual activity (which is what I do), then is there a problem using it in the same manner for men and women?

I can't bring myself to plow through your walls of text having just happened upon this thread, but I think your island is the only place apparently where using the word "virgin" for a male is strange.

I'm not arguing what virgin should mean. I was commenting on how it is strange and or interesting that the word had two completely different meanings and contexts and yet some of us tend to take it for granted. What my blocks of text are mostly about is the implication of these changes in meaning, and how some of these new concepts are probably not very positive at all.

[Uzor]

When I said sex, I meant anything that's qualified as a sexual interaction, which include but not limited to oral, anal, vaginal, foreplay, perhaps even intimacy. It's biological that heterosexual men want to have sex with as many women as possible. That's not to say that men cannot overcome this underlying sexual impulse. Men who chose not to have sex when given the opportunity, are being ridiculed is because many believe that it is stupid because men are opportunistic when comes to sex. It's women's prerogative whether men get to have sex, more often than not.

"women are biologically inclined to desire a specific sort of eroticism"

I am not sure what you are trying to say. I never said they desire eroticism. Masculinity is genetic in that there are masculine features, such as big jaw, large muscle mass, certain facial features, favorable height, etc.

That is bullshit and depends entirely on your personality. There's two sides to this, and the scale is somewhat large.

You can either be born with a brain that desires rewards a lot, or desires rewards slightly less. Depending on how much your brain desires a reward, you desire sex different, and it is tied close to how good a carer you want.

If you're the kind of guy that constantly seek rewards in, say, the form of sex, you're also likely to seek out (as well as successfully have) a good career where you, for example, travel a lot. You're more likely to throw yourself in to relationships and have a lot of sexual partners, but your desire for a stable relationship is less, and you prefer sex simply as a way of rewarding yourself and release tension.

People that are less adventurous, who prefer stable relationships and aren't as fit to have high-status career jobs are less seeking of rewarding themselves. While I do agree all males desire sex (and likely as often as possible), there are males whose brains are built to prefer stable relationships and don't seek out as much female attention.

The difference between these is that the former prefer one-night stands and are usually afraid of commitment, while the latter prefer stable relationships, and lose their virginity at a later age, partly due to "genetically" having worse social skills. I put genetically in quotations, as it isn't genetical in the way you inherit it from your parents, but due to it being given to you at birth.

While it is possible to overcome and sort of train to become more social, it is usually better to adjust yourself to fit your personality. People that are incapable of finding a sexual partner isn't always because they lack experience or looks, it can be because their brain is simply wired that way from birth. Evolution didn't give everyone the same "perfect" personality for a reason. Times change, and sometimes its better to seek out long-lasting relationships then living on the line and seek out several sexual partners (which also means you're more likely to cheat on your partner). For example, if the population lack food, it is better to be aggressive to get food and thus survive. But in times where there's plenty of food, such a behavior is more likely to get you killed.

Not seeking out as many females as possible to have sex with doesn't mean you're a nerd, lack looks, is gay, or are socially inept. It can simply mean your brain is built in such a way that you prefer stable relationships and are more picky in the girls you have sex with.

And btw, homosexuality isn't a genetical mutation. Its a natural occurrence that appear in all species, partly as a way of population control. Did you know that female siblings of homosexual men are more likely to give birth to more children? Somewhat contradicting though, but I suppose nature isn't perfect.