RDM|WHM Melee "Tweaks" to come...

[Ahlah]

LOL.

lol indeed, it's clearly beyound your knowledge and skill, at least be polite if you don't understand something and ask. Stop acting like you know everything.

[evilpaul]

Well, I know how to spell "beyond." Such are the limits of my knowledge I guess.

Have you been able to recruit Avesta for your uber Ouryu strat yet?

Can you post some video of you TPing on Arch Corse before laying a devastating bitch slap on Tiamat with your DB next pop?

Could you DB on an Earth Elemental at Cerb so that you can stick Elegy on it to make getting TP to DB on Cerb easier?

Your strategies are brilliant and I see limitless possibilities to their applications.

[Ahlah]

Well, I know how to spell "beyond." Such are the limits of my knowledge I guess.

Have you been able to recruit Avesta for your uber Ouryu strat yet?

Can you post some video of you TPing on Arch Corse before laying a devastating bitch slap on Tiamat with your DB next pop?

Could you DB on an Earth Elemental at Cerb so that you can stick Elegy on it to make getting TP to DB on Cerb easier?

Your strategies are brilliant and I see limitless possibilities to their applications.

The above statement just confirm your extremely poor skill and knowledge of this game.
Why would your RDM TP on Arch Corse when you can build TP on DC antlion? Or trying to stick elegy on Earth element? And what does the whole DB discussion have anything to do with Avesta?

Stop digging your own grave, ppl forgive players with low IQ, not someone who acts like an idiot.

[evilpaul]

It's clearly beyound my knowledge and skill, so at least be polite since I don't understand something and answer my questions about your winning strategerys.

[Ahlah]

It's clearly beyound my knowledge and skill, so at least be polite since I don't understand something and answer my questions about your winning strategerys.

You are the one who started to yell at me first. So stop being a cry baby, scroll back up and read your response to my post. May be you also suffer short term memory loss?

[evilpaul]

Yeah, I'm like that guy from Memento.

So, what are the BLMs magic bursting on Ouryu? I'm trying my best to understand your strategy.

[Ahlah]

Yeah, I'm like that guy from Memento.

So, what are the BLMs magic bursting on Ouryu? I'm trying my best to understand your strategy.

Err are you trying to be funny or what lol. I thought it's pretty self-explanatory, if you are serious accept my apology.

[Charismatic]

Err are you trying to be funny or what lol.

That's what he's been doing the entire time... stop being so thick-headed. (Yeah, I know... lol @ that coming from me, right?)

[evilpaul]

Yeah, I'm actually like that guy from Memento. What was his name again? I just looked it up too.

So, what are the Black Mages magic bursting on Ouryu?

[Ahlah]

Isn't it obvious by now English is not my first language and I don't have the same backgroud as most NA players?

[Charismatic]

Considering the fact that I didn't take the time to fully read all of your retarded posts... no.

[Ahlah]

Then stop posting, go back to special school where you belong.

[Damane]

why does there allways have to be a unique way

Just slap refresh to whm ---> finish. They share anyway 90% of their spelllist with rdm so duh.

[Charismatic]

Then stop posting, go back to special school where you belong.

lol

[SenseiFF11]

If you read the interview carefully, they want to give WHM a way to get their MP. Mystic Boon is one of them, but how are they going to use it, when close-minded people like you will ask them to stay backline? SE want to give people a reason to ask a WHM to melee sometimes, and by doing so they can get their MP. They also said clearly that they made SCH so WHM can sub it, wich make them access Sublimation. But we all know that there is always a downtime with Sublimation, and you'll have to rest. Instead of resting they want WHM to go to the front time to time to get their MP, and also contribute with "new" beneficial effect.
As for RDM melee, you are saying that RDM don't need any adjustments? So that job is waiting for 6 years now with no update, and he don't need anything, he's fixed till the end of FFXI? When you get a stronger argument to show why RDM don't need an update post it, cause what you said is just stupid. RDM need an adjustments to move to the frontlines, I suggest you to go check how SCH is designed, it's a clear message from SE: RDM is a frontline job.

Do you honestly believe RDM and WHM should turn into frontline jobs that engage in battle 99% of the time? RDM is alread a highly versatile job - tank, healers, debuff, solo you name it. RDM doens't actually NEED any adjustment. The concept behind DB and Mytic Boom is actually quite good, it gives RDM and WHM some nice tweaks without overpowering the jobs. Ppl whine about them because they expect to be able to do all the amazing things RDM and WHM already can and still be able to ditch out 1k weaponskill.

Honestly do I have to go through every possible situation or ppl are just plain stupid? May I introduce you to Tiamat, Cerberus, JoL and any HNM camps where weak mobs can be used to build tp?
All it takes is one RDM/NIN with proper melee gear and some weak mobs to build TP on. You don't need any fancy setup to take advantage of DB, how can ppl have problem understanding such a simple concept?

[Ahlah]

If you read the interview carefully, they want to give WHM a way to get their MP. Mystic Boon is one of them, but how are they going to use it, when close-minded people like you will ask them to stay backline? SE want to give people a reason to ask a WHM to melee sometimes, and by doing so they can get their MP. They also said clearly that they made SCH so WHM can sub it, wich make them access Sublimation. But we all know that there is always a downtime with Sublimation, and you'll have to rest. Instead of resting they want WHM to go to the front time to time to get their MP, and also contribute with "new" beneficial effect.
As for RDM melee, you are saying that RDM any adjustments? So that job is waiting for 6 years now with no update, and he don't need anything, he's fixed till the end of FFXI? When you get a stronger argument to show why RDM don't need an update post it, cause what you said is just stupid. RDM need an adjustments to move to the frontlines, I suggest you to go check how SCH is designed, it's a clear message from SE: RDM is a frontline job.

There are many situations where WHM can make good use of Mystic Boom - solo, salvage, limbus, missions/quest, it's not designed to put WHM in frontline against HNM/merit party. How hard is it to understand such a simple logic? SE have never intended WHM to use Mystic Boom as the main source of MP return. The melee part offers WHM some offensive ability, the same reason they gave WHM Hexastrikes and introduce DNC as a versatile subjob that offers some healing power to melee jobs. They are not meant to replace RDM's refresh or a good healer.

SE don't just adjust a job because they have not received any adjustment for 6 years. They do it to maintain gamebalance. Yet another idiot who tried to impress other with his/her "extensive" knowledge of RDM. May I introduce you to ParalyzeII/SlowII/DiaIII/BioIII?

I suggest you to go check how SCH is designed, it's a clear message from SE: RDM is a frontline job.

You should just stop right there for saying RDM should be a frontline job.

[Izzy]

I remember when we Zammed dumbasses like this in the past.

Oh the good ol' days~

[SenseiFF11]

Did you just said "solo"? cause if it's what you said, you are out off the topic, go back read more that interview, they want them to be usefull inside a party not just solo purpose. And want it or not, RDM was meant to stay to the front and cast there. People see him as a backline due to lack of adjustments, so don't come here and saying that RDM don't need any update. And what with ParalyzeII/SlowII/DiaIII/BioIII? you trying to explain to me that RDM master enfeebling magic? and then what? those spells means backline for you? pure idiot.
The "way" SCH is designed, his definition, is what people though RDM was. He use BLM and WHM magic, if you check the definition of RDM it's BLM and WHM magics as well as the "sword", SE have no choice to enhance that aspect of the RDM! that was my point, learn how to read. No matter what you think of RDM, most of the people here that don't want a RDM update are just jealous of that job, or they talk like someone that clearly lost a 1vs1 in ballista against a RDM. Want it or not, the melee aspect of the Red mages need to be enhanced because of the SCH, that is what I meant.
It's weird cause this thread is actually suppose to talk about what RDM and WHM could/should get, instead of crying baby like you coming here saying they should not get anything. I mean they are going to get something in march, and they clearly said: A "lot" of job adjustments for RDM and WHM. So you'r just losing your time coming here and complaning. I would like to hear what people think RDM and WHM could/should get.

There are many situations where WHM can make good use of Mystic Boom - solo, salvage, limbus, missions/quest, it's not designed to put WHM in frontline against HNM/merit party. How hard is it to understand such a simple logic? SE have never intended WHM to use Mystic Boom as the main source of MP return. The melee part offers WHM some offensive ability, the same reason they gave WHM Hexastrikes and introduce DNC as a versatile subjob that offers some healing power to melee jobs. They are not meant to replace RDM's refresh or a good healer.

SE don't just adjust a job because they have not received any adjustment for 6 years. They do it to maintain gamebalance. Yet another idiot who tried to impress other with his/her "extensive" knowledge of RDM. May I introduce you to ParalyzeII/SlowII/DiaIII/BioIII?


You should just stop right there for saying RDM should be a frontline job.

[Ahlah]

Seriously since when BG has become Alla? You are the one who said RDM has not received any adjustment for 6 years. So what will you call paralyze/slowII?

Since when are RDM meant to be frontline job? RDM is designed to be a versatile job. Like all hybrid jobs it would have invariably ended up as another "situational" job if SE had never bumped RDM's enfeebling magic and given them convert/refresh/haste. Specialisation is what encourage ppl to use a job. The same reason why BRD can never be replaced by COR and WHM by SCH. If ppl want a DD there are millions of melee jobs that will perform better than RDM.

[SenseiFF11]

Wait a min, I'm talking about an adjustments to a job himself, not merit tier II that everyone received. The last "RDM adjustment" was in 2003. And if you have to search the jobs that waited for a very long time now to get an adjustments are: RDM and NIN. Yes someone could say they are one of the strongest jobs in the game that is why, and yes I'm agree since SE said it. But it's false to say they don't need "anything", especially after waiting for so long. I believe it's time for a RDM update, because of SCH.
Yes RDM was meant to be versatile, my point is he can still do his "backline" duties to the front, why he isn't? or because he got too much things to cast, but main reason is... cause his melee abilities are not enough especially on high level monsters such we see in end-game. My point is, since that job exist, we mainly saw the backline part of rdm. Seriously for all the people that played other FF versions, the RDM in FFXI right now is not a RDM, or i should say is not a complete RDM, but some kind of a glorified WHM/BLM or BLM/WHM, can we at least agree on that?

Seriously since when BG has become Alla? You are the one who said RDM has not received any adjustment for 6 years. So what will you call paralyze/slowII?

Since when are RDM meant to be frontline job? RDM is designed to be a versatile job. Like all hybrid jobs it would have invariably ended up as another "situational" job if SE had never bumped RDM's enfeebling magic and given them convert/refresh/haste. Specialisation is what encourage ppl to use a job. The same reason why BRD can never be replaced by COR and WHM by SCH. If ppl want a DD there are millions of melee jobs that will perform better than RDM.