PLD Sentinel after update

[Eddard]

I just did an Omega with my limbus static and noticed something with my sentinel not spiking any enmity at all.

Pre-update i could get hit with colossal blow/pile pitch and get hate back with sentinel+flash without any problems.

This run i got hit with colossal blow, used sentinel > flash > shield bash > Cure IV's on myself as well as other alliance members and absolutely nothing happened... the other tank kept hate the entire time until he got hit with that tp move. and then he had the same problem.

I'm a fully merited pld with sentinel 5/5 and guardian 5/5

anyone else face this problem?

[Sanjiyan]

BROKEN!

[Eddard]

that what seems to be the issue atm....

[Arthars]

if your really really doing this order : sentinel > flash > shield bash > Cure IV's

your enmity only starts to build on a mob after your flash, aka your sentinel is wasted

this is what i understanding from hate reset TP moves

im sure you will maybe get it back if you do flash > sentinel

you can even try doing invincible after u get colssus blow or pitch.i doubt u will get any enmity generated on the mob

[Eddard]

this is the stuff i threw up in this situation to try and get hate back. i didnt make myself very clear in the OP.

In a normal situation my MA/JAs would be like this

Proto-Omega hits you with Colossal Blow.
Random cures
Flash
Run back in to fight
Sentinel
Flash
I have hate.

In the current situation it was like this

Proto-Omega hits you with Colossal Blow.
Random cures
Flash
Run back in to fight
Sentinel
Flash
No hate
Shield bash- nothing
Cures to other ppl and myself from other tp moves like Laser shower. - Nothing

this is why i am asking if something changed. like i said. i've never had to spam so much to get hate once i'm hit with blow/pitch. i usually get hate back in an instant. i just find it weird that in all our previous omegas (like 6 now) it looked like situation #1 and then our first omega after the update (as well as my first monster i've tanked since the update) situation #2 arises.

[dbdesigns]

Run from colossal blow like you would throat stab >.>

[Eddard]

I try to run from it, but i cant get away from it 100% of the time. guess my computer just lags sometimes. I guess i could just tank in crimson legs fulltime to make up for that lag. i've actually started to run from every tp move once i see the TP move start on the monster lol. since it doesnt show up in log til after it goes off.

[Avarice]

Taking the fact Sentinel might be broken out of play, why do people merit Guardian? Using Sentinel is a tremendous spike in enmity as is and then the percent-reduction effect prevents much, if any, enmity to be lost in the first place due to very little damage being taken.

It seems to me that it was simply a merit that was made when Sentinel was only a large defense bonus instead of a percent-reduction and enmity spike, but if I'm misunderstanding something, please explain.

[Kikaru]

yeah guardian is a bit of a holdover but still holds some merit when you know you might eat a big nuke to prevent it from turning your hate into kibble.

[Aesctaa]

if your really really doing this order : sentinel > flash > shield bash > Cure IV's

your enmity only starts to build on a mob after your flash, aka your sentinel is wasted

this is what i understanding from hate reset TP moves

im sure you will maybe get it back if you do flash > sentinel

you can even try doing invincible after u get colssus blow or pitch.i doubt u will get any enmity generated on the mob

Sentinel gives +100 enmity on actions the entire duration it is active, its not really about the instant spike from using the JA. Even if throat stab/colossal blow totally remove you from the hate list, you are probably better off just swinging at it once to get back on the hate list than wasting a flash.

As for guardian, I haven't seen any extensive testing done on it, but i believe it reduces the default enmity decay during sentinel, not just the enmity loss from taking damage. Either way, it 'Feels' like a noticeable impact.

[Furionstormrage]

I did Omega tonight, got hit with one Colossal Blow while in mid-cast on Ichi (couldn't run) and I did Sentinel > Flash, and he was back on me, didn't notice any problems personally.

I used Sentinel a few times in the fight, did not notice any difference.

I also tanked some Sky Gods last night (after the update) and didn't notice anything changing.

[grimrising]

I thought this thread was gonna be about dnc's Fan_Dance.

idk lol. Haven't seen it in action yet, but seems kinda funny.

[Vail]

sentinel>flash>shieldbash>cureIV>dispel>cureIV

kept hate until I got molested in campaign on rdm/pld, so pretty sure it still works

as for the OP, while sentinel>flash is good hate, it doesn't mean you'll get more hate then others, especially if your DDs hate is high, you're only telling us half the story here.

[Duber]

while sentinel>flash is good hate, it doesn't mean you'll get more hate then others, especially if your DDs hate is high, you're only telling us half the story here.

This and go test it out yourself in other conditions, like kaeko did on his lj.

[ringthree]

Did Omega last night, NIN/DRK and PLD/NIN. PLD/NIN had no problems getting hate back after Colossal Blow.

There are far too many things involved to conclude that there is a glitch. If it used fewer CBs, if it used more Guided Missiles, the subs of your DD, etc, then it can effect hate in many different ways.