Onrpg.com Fanfest Dev Interview

[Naash]

Q: What does physical potency merits do for blue mage?
A: It is a simple increase in accuracy for physical magic attacks.

Maybe I'm missing the point of this question, but I'm surprised they replied that when in the Japanese version of the game it clearly says "Increase attack power for physical type blue spells" for this merit. Or am I missing something? @@
The other merit for the magic-type spells does increase accuracy, but...

[Amastacia]

Q: Ninja emerged as a tanking job, and then the Paladin became so strong. Now Ninja has become the less preferred tank. Any changes to Ninja in the future?
A: The Ninja has not been neglected. We always have all the jobs in mind. It has not received adjustments directly like some of the other jobs have, but indirectly we think we have maintained a good balance by making adjustments to other areas of the game.

Fuck this shit.

Not neglected?

I mean, we all know they don't play their own game, but this well and truly boggles my mind.

The fact that they can use NIN (or THF for that matter, and not even bringing up pet jobs) and balanced in the same sentence is just outrageous.

Was there a time NIN was overpowered? Sure, not even going to try to deny that.

Now though, I've got 3 75 jobs in my sig, and the 2 I like less are the only 2 I ever play because the one that's the most fun is eclipsed in every aspect.

[Nattack]

think the only way one will get their attention is death threats.
anonymously (cause we're ninjas)

I'd like to know in their eyes though, how lack of attention has balanced the ninja. maybe they're thinking of solo, or perhaps they think of us as merely a subjob. but I personally, with ninja being my first 75 and one of my more liked jobs, am getting irritated and bored with the lack of attention - or well no this isnt even that, its more lack of understanding. its like we get a DEF+10 katana with a set that reduces enmity with the SCNM's. a completely useless weapon skill, a shifty looking mythic (which will probably do nothing for mijin gakure) individual merits for spells (set up like a red mages or a black mages - except unlike them we need them all for the wheel so it becomes out of favour) which, to my knowledge actually do less damage over time to our level 40 elemental wheel. and the getting detrimented by the 2handed buff, with a dual wield nerf.

I said if they ignored ninja again with this "jobs that arent getting attention" mention at allakhazam id finally say they had to be retarded. hmm... are they? we'll have to wait till march it seems to find out.

edit:

or maybe they mistake us for samurais. store tp, subtle blow. i totally confuse the two myself. all the time. yep.

although certianly you can tank pretty well on ninja still. its undeniable that we're outmoded by many other jobs. IE: blue mages, samurai tanks, paladins. warriors. monks. I could dig it better if our parrying rate had a proc similar to monk's guard, and some way to gather hate without a subjob. that would be fine. but nothing makes me feel like a virgin, all shiny and new any more.

SE, touch me, like the very first time

[Avinne]

Q: Ninja emerged as a tanking job, and then the Paladin became so strong. Now Ninja has become the less preferred tank. Any changes to Ninja in the future?
A: The Ninja has not been neglected. We always have all the jobs in mind. It has not received adjustments directly like some of the other jobs have, but indirectly we think we have maintained a good balance by making adjustments to other areas of the game.

This was actually one of my questions... I personally wanted to know for myself, because I have both lvled and sadly, my NIN has become obsolete on most things that are not small scale (i.e. I take it out once a week to do the Hagun ENM >.>) I actually DID make a comment AFTER they had answered... not sure if the interpreter mentioned it, but I said something to the effect of "My ninja spends most of its time in storage" ... It's actually kind of funny... 75NIN has sort of become the 'dirty little secret' of ppl in my LS. If someone shows up with it equipped, we're all usually responding with "wth, I didn't know you had NIN." ... because there's NO outlet to really utilize it w/o it being overpowered by something else.

Although I was grateful to have the opportunity to interview the dev team... it was clear they weren't going to divulge ANYTHING other than the tidbits you see here. When I asked about AV... I WISH I understood Japanese... I would have loved to be able to understand their chatter >.>

[Odin'sLaw]

From the way some of you react you'd think SE interviewers were granted god-like opportunities. Like some kind of feudal serf who stupidly wastes his once in a lifetime request on asking if he can have a taste of their soda. Look, it is just an interview. Mainly for publicity for both parties, and to give an impression of what their motivations and plans are.

Some of the things Square does are frustrating and idiotic, but it's stupid to rage and curse the heavens because someone else didn't say what you wanted. If you really want to let Square know what you think then send them something using their web form, or encourage other people to do the same.

i used this "web form" to say i like how SE have actully though about a EU Fanfest of some sort and maybe they should have a voting page on the EU website for a Fanfest if say 2000 people said yes to it then do it and since England is so far behind MMO's you'll look overly cool for a start, i was later informed that because of so many people saying the same thing it was impossible for SE to do

wtf SE? lol

[Vilhem]

This was actually one of my questions... I personally wanted to know for myself, because I have both lvled and sadly, my NIN has become obsolete on most things that are not small scale (i.e. I take it out once a week to do the Hagun ENM >.>) I actually DID make a comment AFTER they had answered... not sure if the interpreter mentioned it, but I said something to the effect of "My ninja spends most of its time in storage" ... It's actually kind of funny... 75NIN has sort of become the 'dirty little secret' of ppl in my LS. If someone shows up with it equipped, we're all usually responding with "wth, I didn't know you had NIN." ... because there's NO outlet to really utilize it w/o it being overpowered by something else.

Although I was grateful to have the opportunity to interview the dev team... it was clear they weren't going to divulge ANYTHING other than the tidbits you see here. When I asked about AV... I WISH I understood Japanese... I would have loved to be able to understand their chatter >.>

I still have the recording and listening to it, there was a few laughs after your storage comment but nothing really said back.

And yeah I feel you on the dirty little secret. We have had a few surprises ourselves with people coming out of the dark with NIN75 XD

[Ziero]

I'm trying to wonder what exactly they don't like. We don't promote rmt/link to rmt sites. Same with bots.

You mean besides the numerous pron threads and topics solely dedicated to to Windower related functions?

I can't believe there's still people who think not receiving skill-ups in level sync and campaign is ok. As for not having the teleports directly to dungeons that is just another prime example of SE cockblocking their players. They just do this to waste our time instead of actually letting us play the game. There's 0 reason those things are the way they are.

A friend of mine joined a Qufim PT the other day as a 21 Drg. The rest of the Pt was apparentlly all 70+. They told her specifically "We'll take you from 21 to 24, but as soon as you hit that we're booting you".

Qufim is now a Merit camp. And you don't see a problem with that? Not getting skillups is the most minor of minor annoyances, but they still need to have some reason to pull people away from Synch/Campaign.

although certianly you can tank pretty well on ninja still. its undeniable that we're outmoded by many other jobs. IE: blue mages, samurai tanks, paladins. warriors. monks.

I was with you on everything, but to say War tank better then nin is full on BS. Nins have been one of the best tanking jobs in the game for years to the point where Plds were considered gimps. Now that they buffed Plds to hell and back, Nin got left in the cold. But what the hell did War get to make it tank better then Nin? Hell, even Dnc can tank more stuff then War thanks to Fandance.

[Nattack]

Since retaliation in a merit party, I'm going for a broad aspect. as id like ninja to do a broad aspect of things.

[Ophannus]

wasn't there a period of like 2 years where PLDs were complaining that everybody was spamming NIN/DRK tanks on everything, then PLD got buffed now its NIN complaning.

i swear job balance is like wack-a-mole

[Nattack]

if the tanking see-saw were a bit more balanced, Theyd have to ignore less bitching.

[Ramses]

This was actually one of my questions... I personally wanted to know for myself, because I have both lvled and sadly, my NIN has become obsolete on most things that are not small scale (i.e. I take it out once a week to do the Hagun ENM >.>) I actually DID make a comment AFTER they had answered... not sure if the interpreter mentioned it, but I said something to the effect of "My ninja spends most of its time in storage" ... It's actually kind of funny... 75NIN has sort of become the 'dirty little secret' of ppl in my LS. If someone shows up with it equipped, we're all usually responding with "wth, I didn't know you had NIN." ... because there's NO outlet to really utilize it w/o it being overpowered by something else.

Although I was grateful to have the opportunity to interview the dev team... it was clear they weren't going to divulge ANYTHING other than the tidbits you see here. When I asked about AV... I WISH I understood Japanese... I would have loved to be able to understand their chatter >.>

You really should have asked if they plan on releasing info on killing AV the right way as a follow up to the zerg question. That way they have to answer with something, even if it is maybe at a later time or not at all, but at least we get something. Having it all one question let them rant about zerging and let them feel like they gave an answer to the question. It's possible they didn't even get that part of the question as sometimes people just hear the first part of something and start answering. Someone should also ask whatever happened to them implementing an item to enfeeble AV as they mentioned last year.

Nice interview overall.

[Isiolia]

I was with you on everything, but to say War tank better then nin is full on BS. Nins have been one of the best tanking jobs in the game for years to the point where Plds were considered gimps. Now that they buffed Plds to hell and back, Nin got left in the cold. But what the hell did War get to make it tank better then Nin? Hell, even Dnc can tank more stuff then War thanks to Fandance.

WAR, along with other jobs, can readily sub NIN to tank many of the things where the ol' NIN tanking via damage thing is viable. In fact, it tends to be able to do this better as target mob level goes up.
It's not that NIN is terrible, or obsolete in that regard. More that the hybrid situations, where NIN would tend to be favored over a PLD (say, Nyzul, non-boss Limbus runs, etc), don't exactly see it shining either. A WAR/NIN can more readily achieve the DD level of a NIN, if not better, and bounce hate.

In a way, it's not so much that NIN is underpowered, it's that /NIN is overpowered. If, for example, /NIN shadows weren't 100%, then things would be different. As it is, you trade off one shadow on Ni for better DD, or a more comprehensive tanking package.

[Ziero]

Since retaliation in a merit party, I'm going for a broad aspect. as id like ninja to do a broad aspect of things.

...so the only situation where War is a better tank is when people don't actually need a tank?

WAR, along with other jobs, can readily sub NIN to tank many of the things where the ol' NIN tanking via damage thing is viable. In fact, it tends to be able to do this better as target mob level goes up.
It's not that NIN is terrible, or obsolete in that regard. More that the hybrid situations, where NIN would tend to be favored over a PLD (say, Nyzul, non-boss Limbus runs, etc), don't exactly see it shining either. A WAR/NIN can more readily achieve the DD level of a NIN, if not better, and bounce hate.

In a way, it's not so much that NIN is underpowered, it's that /NIN is overpowered. If, for example, /NIN shadows weren't 100%, then things would be different. As it is, you trade off one shadow on Ni for better DD, or a more comprehensive tanking package.

Again, those are burn situations where it's not really a "tank" you want but someone who can take just enough hits to survive longer then the mob. That's not tanking as it is so much as killing really fast. But against anything that lives longer then 90 seconds, a Nin will be a better tank. But then again, on those things Pld would be just as good, if not better.

[Nattack]

...so the only situation where War is a better tank is when people don't actually need a tank?

and quite a valuable one, not to mention a valid point on my part. but this isnt about disagreement with one of the jobs i listed. this isnt an arguement.

I might also add rdm/nin. I'd rather, unfortunately bring a war/sam or war/nin to a party to come rip the shit out of colibris than a ninja, ninjas dont counter after all.

however. I must declare how fond i am of the mechanics of nin/drk. just wish it didnt require so much support

[Corrderio]

Wasn't too bad of an interview. I was hoping when someone asked a PLD question it would have been if they'd adjust the VIT/DEF curves to make PLD a better bloodtank, afterall didn't SE say their view for PLD was a tank that could take a lot of damage?

I was disappointed that the MMM won't give endgame gear. That was where I was hoping the cockmongler came from.

[Sanjiyan]

I could dig it better if our parrying rate had a proc similar to monk's guard,

Not to imply anything, but

wat

[Nattack]

I envy Genome .-.

[Guitarman]

wasn't there a period of like 2 years where PLDs were complaining that everybody was spamming NIN/DRK tanks on everything, then PLD got buffed now its NIN complaning.

i swear job balance is like wack-a-mole

This is one gripe i'm 100% on board with though. They have a right to complain. Fact is this game NEEDS more viable tanks. Putting nin tank ability up even with PLD gives people more options. There's not always going to be a PLD around, or sometimes its good to give your PLDS a break; let them come another job every now and then. WAR is great on small stuff; we have one tank in nyzul for us and that works fine; but bigger events like dynamis/einherjar or what have you, its PLD tank all the way. Theres really no debate about it. They can hold hate, and keep it with less maintenence.

[Ziero]

and quite a valuable one, not to mention a valid point on my part. but this isnt about disagreement with one of the jobs i listed. this isnt an arguement.

...but it's not because that isn't tanking. People don't tank in Merit PTs, they'll *maybe* throw out a single voke, and murder the mob before the recast finishes. I'm not saying Nins shouldn't get some sort of buff, hell I'd love to see some kind of offensive buff with lots of hate generation for Nins to help them DD AND tank. I'm just saying when people need a real Tank, people look to Plds, then look to Nins. War isn't anywhere near the top of the "we need a tank" list.

This is one gripe i'm 100% on board with though. They have a right to complain. Fact is this game NEEDS more viable tanks. Putting nin tank ability up even with PLD gives people more options. There's not always going to be a PLD around, or sometimes its good to give your PLDS a break; let them come another job every now and then. WAR is great on small stuff; we have one tank in nyzul for us and that works fine; but bigger events like dynamis/einherjar or what have you, its PLD tank all the way. Theres really no debate about it. They can hold hate, and keep it with less maintenence.

This is a reasonable gripe as it's pretty much a fact. Some jobs with proper builds in the right situations can make great tanks. But they're very rare circumstances. But when it comes to overall tanks that work in the majority of the situations for the majority of the levels, you end up with two. I would love to have my War be able to main tank the same things a Pld or Nin could with similar efficiancey. I would gladly give up some offensive capabilities to get that kind of defensive potential. But the only natural defensive ability a War gets is Defender...and what good is that when a Mob is going to hit you for 300 regardless.

[Nattack]

...but it's not because that isn't tanking. People don't tank in Merit PTs, they'll *maybe* throw out a single voke, and murder the mob before the recast finishes. I'm not saying Nins shouldn't get some sort of buff, hell I'd love to see some kind of offensive buff with lots of hate generation for Nins to help them DD AND tank. I'm just saying when people need a real Tank, people look to Plds, then look to Nins. War isn't anywhere near the top of the "we need a tank" list.

I didnt say they were at the top of a we need a tank list, I'm saying they have an advantage over ninja when it comes to tanking merit parties. and no I'm very aware that there is no specified tank in such a situation, but they have an advantage when it comes to taking hits. (that is, their high dps will pull it off a ninja nearly immedietly) Retaliation's just adds to it.

not to say that I'd like ninja to be superior tank i all situations, I just cant see any situation id invite a ninja to a merit other than to distract the mob till someone stick a greataxe in its face