Your view on a taru tank

[Hogie]

Ok so i have always loved tanking, but Taru's seem to be shunned a ton when it comes to tanking. Yes i understand low HP and what not, but let me hear your thoughts on Taru tanks (generally speaking, not just PLD, but tank in general)


I know there are some well known Taru tanks on these forums and your thoughts would be great as well being a tank.

[Callisto]

Taru PLDs are awesome in XP, but I hate to say that it's true, Tarus in general just get 1-shotted by shit when doing real endgame. I see it happen all the time. It's not to say that they can't be great tanks, but the likelihood of them going down to something that an Elvaan could have survived is just higher.

[Recaldy]

I think people use it to show off. "Look what I can do with the lowest physical stat job!"

[Hogie]

Taru PLDs are awesome in XP, but I hate to say that it's true, Tarus in general just get 1-shotted by shit when doing real endgame. I see it happen all the time. It's not to say that they can't be great tanks, but the likelihood of them going down to something that an Elvaan could have survived is just higher.

Ya i guess i can understand that. What about holding hate wise? Do you find tarus can hold greater hate because of the mass MP Pool?

[Kurt Cobain]

Max MP doesn't matter so much when your MP is coming back at 11 a tic, I roll with 300 and never don't have enough, double negative yay, just get lins in your party ;q

[Hogie]

Max MP doesn't matter so much when your MP is coming back at 11 a tic, I roll with 300 and never don't have enough, double negative yay, just get lins in your party ;q

Ehh Lins is a slob, *insert random attack at Lins for no reason*. Any Taru tanks (PLD i really would like to know) with 8/8 HP Merits able to let me know what kind of HP you have pre food and what kind of gear your using?

[kayn]

As stated before, tarus can be great tanks. Its just on big mobs the HP difference can be problematic. I've been hit for 1500-1600 a number of times and never missed a beat. This is in my normal tanking gear. Tarus can do this too but they have to adjust their gear/food and usually end up sacrificing refresh/enmity/haste/etc.

It's kinda like saying I'm elv and I want to be a main blm. Sure I can be a great BLM and beat most on the server with great gear/merits, but other races are going to have a number of advantages on me.

There's really nothing that can prevent you from being good at your job except yourself. As long as you're willing to put effort into it, people will realize you're great. So what it really comes down to is what do you enjoy?
Pick a job you like and play it well. People won't give you any crap when you show them how to play a job well.

[Judai]

Taru PLDs are awesome in XP, but I hate to say that it's true, Tarus in general just get 1-shotted by shit when doing real endgame. I see it happen all the time. It's not to say that they can't be great tanks, but the likelihood of them going down to something that an Elvaan could have survived is just higher.

This is the dumbest shit. Tarus don't get oneshotted by anything that a normal tank wouldn't get one shotted by. Never, in my entire tanking career, have I been "one shotted" by any mob unless taking some extreme damage.(ie, 1900+ CB, oops Tiamat moved and breathed me for 1800+, etc) I actually easily survive CB now with my Magic Kit, surviving with 800+hp usually.

I have just as much HP as any other tank I tank alonside, if not more. Yes, it means I idle in shit like BQR, Cassie, RSE2 Belt, etc but idleing in HP gear doesn't effect my performance in holding hate.

You can ask anyone in my LS or anyone who knows me about my Tanking skills. Race doesn't mean shit in Endgame if you have skill to overcome the small differences and use them to your advantage.

I've tanked everything in this game easily(other then lolPW/lolAV) and never had a problem with HP. I am the main tank for my LS and I tank 90% of the events we do. I rarely die unless people fall asleep or some retarded shit happens.

1450+hp 650+mp is my normal I believe. I can get more HP if I want but there is rarely a need for that.

[Hoshiku]

it's not so much that tarus have a higher chance of getting one shotted, but in bad situations on mobs that favor double attack they have a good chance of getting two shotted when shit hits the fan. we have a taru pld in our shell and he's not much harder to keep up than the elvaan plds in the shell. things that tend to do nasty damage from time to time will do nasty damage on anyone. as far as xp goes taru nins + eruca = bad but other than that it depends on how good your healer is.

[ringthree]

Yeah, Taru tanks are fine. They just have to adjust their builds to more HP than most other jobs. There is nothing that can one-shot a decent Taru tank that wouldn't one shot any other tank.

[Hogie]

This is the dumbest shit. Tarus don't get oneshotted by anything that a normal tank wouldn't get one shotted by. Never, in my entire tanking career, have I been "one shotted" by any mob unless taking some extreme damage.(ie, 1900+ CB, oops Tiamat moved and breathed me for 1800+, etc) I actually easily survive CB now with my Magic Kit, surviving with 800+hp usually.

I have just as much HP as any other tank I tank alonside, if not more. Yes, it means I idle in shit like BQR, Cassie, RSE2 Belt, etc but idleing in HP gear doesn't effect my performance in holding hate.

You can ask anyone in my LS or anyone who knows me about my Tanking skills. Race doesn't mean shit in Endgame if you have skill to overcome the small differences and use them to your advantage.

I've tanked everything in this game easily(other then lolPW/lolAV) and never had a problem with HP. I am the main tank for my LS and I tank 90% of the events we do. I rarely die unless people fall asleep or some retarded shit happens.

1450+hp 650+mp is my normal I believe. I can get more HP if I want but there is rarely a need for that.

And you win the thread for exactly what i was looking for Thanks for the information and i guess in some way words of encouragement

[Acturus]

Your view on a taru tank

I find that I'm always looking down on them.

[Furionstormrage]

I find that I'm always looking down on them.

I spat out my coffee

[Judai]

Sorry, pisses me off anytime people say Taru PLDs run around getting one shot by everything.

Advicewise: Just gear yourself like any other tank. The only things I probably use that others probably don't are the 3 I listed, RSE2 Belt, BQR and Cassie Earring. I used to use Gigant until I got Valor Cape. I still use Gigant for my Cure 3 Macros. I do have 8/8 HP merits and I would highly advise them for any Taru Tanks.

Otherwise, I use all the same gear as others and swap in things like Hades+1 earring, Warwolf Belt, Swift Belt, etc. Regen3 takes care of the minor HP swaps from spells and such through the course of the fight. On top of the fact that I am usually manipulating my HP totals to self Cure 3 myself anyways.

Obviously I tanked plenty of things before getting things like full Homam, Ares's/Avalon Bodies, etc. So you can tank just fine without the perfect tanking gear as well.

1400+HP is pretty much all you need for most things. You can get away with 1300s as well, anything lower will probably be bad though. Getting owned in the face has nothing to do with HP though, it has to do with managing Utsusemi.

I also have Ninja and have tanked plenty of things NIN/DRK.(Omega,Tiamat,etc) NIN has a bit less HP, so it really pushes your skills to not make glaring mistakes but it's not some impossible task or something where you will be getting killed by mobs every 15m.

http://www.ffxiah.com/item_sets.php?id=30537 - Link to some of my normal tanking gear if you care. I usually have Cassie where the Hades+1 is, I swap Ethereal/Hades+1 during the fight and leave Cassie fulltime. Obviously a ton of swaps, I blink a ton, Shield sets, Haste sets, full Enmity sets, Fire and Magic Kits, Vit set for Rampart, etc, etc.

[Kumbai]

I love my taru PLD.

I have 1367HP before food (in my general tanking gear, which is haste gear/enmity etc) and I have 670ish MP (varies depending on my feet, or what food I use). I use either Pescatora/Carbonara/Tacos for food (depends what I'm fighting really.)

I use MBody, Homam hands, Assjammer, WLegs (I need Homam still), and Gallant or Askar feet~


Judai's post applies for me too really. I could get alot more HP if I wanted to~ I just don't need (unless I wanted to make a hot fake cure macro ;3)

[Max™]

Yeah, I was thinking about that too... what are your tanks doing that they're eating 1300~1500 dmg often enough that you're super paranoid about a taru tanking?

I mean, wow, aside from super nasty Searing Lights, and random stuff that does huge damage and ignores shadows, why are you taking so much damage so often?

[Achika]

My shell has a Taru PLD as one of our primary tanks. I've seen him get one shotted by things, but I've also seen our Galka PLD tank get one shotted by the same things.

Granted we only do Sky and Limbus, and both PLDs are stubborn about going /NIN (They only believe in /WAR. I know, fail.) , so keep that in mind for thoughts.

[Hakamaru]

lol at tarus getting 1-shotted. If a tank dies it's usually due to a mistake or a break-down in support. I survive citadel busters easily on my NIN. There's nothing else that's really a challenge outside of that. When I'm going to take damage, I wear -45% physical damage reduction. There's nothing that really puts me in great jeopardy when shadows are down.

http://i77.photobucket.com/albums/j7...enseDamage.jpg

Just think what these numbers would look like if anyone ever phalanx'd me. Sure, I've died before, what tank hasn't? But when I add things up, the racial HP difference would very rarely allow for another hit. Random deaths are usually a result of a combo attack from melee hits and then a TP move. But again, this is true for Galkas too.

If max HP matters to your tank, odds are they suck in the first place.

[Hogie]

Sorry, pisses me off anytime people say Taru PLDs run around getting one shot by everything.

Advicewise: Just gear yourself like any other tank. The only things I probably use that others probably don't are the 3 I listed, RSE2 Belt, BQR and Cassie Earring. I used to use Gigant until I got Valor Cape. I still use Gigant for my Cure 3 Macros. I do have 8/8 HP merits and I would highly advise them for any Taru Tanks.

Otherwise, I use all the same gear as others and swap in things like Hades+1 earring, Warwolf Belt, Swift Belt, etc. Regen3 takes care of the minor HP swaps from spells and such through the course of the fight. On top of the fact that I am usually manipulating my HP totals to self Cure 3 myself anyways.

Obviously I tanked plenty of things before getting things like full Homam, Ares's/Avalon Bodies, etc. So you can tank just fine without the perfect tanking gear as well.

1400+HP is pretty much all you need for most things. You can get away with 1300s as well, anything lower will probably be bad though. Getting owned in the face has nothing to do with HP though, it has to do with managing Utsusemi.

I also have Ninja and have tanked plenty of things NIN/DRK.(Omega,Tiamat,etc) NIN has a bit less HP, so it really pushes your skills to not make glaring mistakes but it's not some impossible task or something where you will be getting killed by mobs every 15m.

- FFXIAH.com - Link to some of my normal tanking gear if you care. I usually have Cassie where the Hades+1 is, I swap Ethereal/Hades+1 during the fight and leave Cassie fulltime. Obviously a ton of swaps, I blink a ton, Shield sets, Haste sets, full Enmity sets, Fire and Magic Kits, Vit set for Rampart, etc, etc.

I noticed that you have RDM leveled as well from your sig. Can you compare PLD to RDM/NIN at all? I Have tanked a lot of things on my RDM/NIN but i am lacking some gear pieces and normally idle at around 1k HP (only 3 HP merits). Only things that 1 shots my on RDM/NIN in Khim with a bad timed Tourbillion or a bad timed Terror with no shadows and a double attack or something. My thinking though is that most of these things can kill any tank.

Do you think PLD is a lot easier to tank as a Taru over RDM?

[Zidiane]

There is only one thing that is wrong with taru tanks, it makes thiefs bitch about small TA target.

Race means shit.