Mythic Weapon Information (Page1 - hot new info!)

[Tadghostal]

Yeah, no. I'll finish. The Glanzfaust, I mean. Not you.

I'm still holding out for a fuckawesome augmentation to Focus and/or Dodge. Even if the things parse a quarter of a percent higher than Destroyers, I've won--no! Monks everywhere have won.

Honestly, I expect it'll beat Destroyers by a good 7-10% if 50% double attack lasts for the full two minutes. And you'll be able to pump out multiple Asurans in between saving for your next Ascetic's Fury.

The only time they'll suck is that first 300% TP.

[Neosutra]

Honestly, I expect it'll beat Destroyers by a good 7-10% if 50% double attack lasts for the full two minutes. And you'll be able to pump out multiple Asurans in between saving for your next Ascetic's Fury.

The only time they'll suck is that first 300% TP.

Testing with faith H2H, with max haste (gear and marchX2), and haste spell, I was able to get 300 TP in just under 2 minutes. At the rate I achieved TP, one could extrapalate the ability to:

Start at 300TP (lets ingore the first buildup) -> 1 300 TP Mythic WS -> 100TP AF about 20 seconds later -> just enough time to get 300TP again for next WS.

You arent pumping out multiple AF and restoring TP for 300TP again.

Even at the most optimal conditions, you get 2 WSs off in 2 minutes, (First one about 15-20 seconds in, 2nd one 1.5 minutes later). You could probably get one more AF in there if you DA enough.

That would net you about 1 WS a minute with the added DoT from DA+ and focus bonus. In a typical meripo I get TP about every 35 seconds, typically WSing once a fight.

In the most optimal situations, I could see this doing some decent DoT, though the loss of -6% crit hit, half your WSs being weaker (about 30% weaker on average), it would be hard to say.

Guess we will see when alma finishes.

[Tadghostal]

Testing with faith H2H, with max haste (gear and marchX2), and haste spell, I was able to get 300 TP in just under 2 minutes. At the rate I achieved TP, one could extrapalate the ability to:

Start at 300TP (lets ingore the first buildup) -> 1 300 TP Mythic WS -> 100TP AF about 20 seconds later -> just enough time to get 300TP again for next WS.

You arent pumping out multiple AF and restoring TP for 300TP again.

Even at the most optimal conditions, you get 2 WSs off in 2 minutes, (First one about 15-20 seconds in, 2nd one 1.5 minutes later). You could probably get one more AF in there if you DA enough.

That would net you about 1 WS a minute with the added DoT from DA+ and focus bonus. In a typical meripo I get TP about every 35 seconds, typically WSing once a fight.

In the most optimal situations, I could see this doing some decent DoT, though the loss of -6% crit hit, half your WSs being weaker (about 30% weaker on average), it would be hard to say.

Guess we will see when alma finishes.

Let's assume that with Glanzfaust you'll be doing only 1/2 the weaponskill damage that you'd get out of Destroyers (an assumption that favors destroyers, but w/e). That'll be about 15% less dot overall for a typical well-geared monk, meaning Glanz will have to pump out about a quarter more damage from regular attacks to be measurably better. If the 50% doesn't deteriorate, I can't see how it won't put out at least 35% more damage from regular attacks than Destroyers, even before taking Focus augmentation (whatever that may be) into account.

[Neosutra]

Add in less WSs over time and less crit hit rate and the DoT gap gets lower and lower.

[Shinta]

Well one thing that's for sure is that the Augments are the real bonus with these weapons and not really the aftermath. So until I hear what Dodge and Focus do I'll stay undecided. MNK's have very limited defensive options. If augment Dodge turns out to be really amazing out of nowhere maybe they could even sub WAR more. Well, I can dream.

[Neosutra]

10 acc and 10 evasion.

Most likely.

[Charismatic]

Well, I can dream.

Yeah, if you think it'll be that good you are dreaming.

[Shinta]

It does say augment. All I'm saying is that I can't decide how good it is if I don't even know what it does yet. If it really was +10 to both that would be terrible since AF does that, also it would seem like that is an enhancement and not an augmentation.

[Arthars]

they wrote the same in text in JP version, even some items wrote "augments" and some "enhance" in NA version

only NA uses different wording, but still the same meaning.
they introduced the word "augments" due to space restriction on description box

1 example is: Aegis

for now we knnow that:
1. Augments(now) = enhance "<something>" effect(previously)
2. they mean the same, even some items still labeled as "enhance", while some labelled "augment"
3. breaks down to actually all mean "enhance "<something>" effect" even it wrote "augments"
4. every enhancement in SE items are/might be/can be different
5. headplodes

Yes, you can expect the actual enhancements being different, even it wrote "augments"
but dont think "augments" is actually an entirely different meaning ingame because they are not. its just another word to safe description space.

[Shinta]

That's good to know. I could've sworn they even released update notes trying to explain the difference. Just my imagination I guess.

[Sanjiyan]

I wouldn't even know how you would "augment" Focus or Dodge? Reduce recast? Increase acc/eva gained? Increase duration? All of those options are pretty underwhelming.

I mean, SE has never really introduced any "augment/enhances so-and-so" by completely altering what it does. Even the SAM's Third Eye counter existed, albeit a lot more rare and only with relic AF, before they added it to Seigan. SE has always just introduced new abilities if they wanted new abilities.

Unless SE proves me wrong, basic function of Focus/Dodge won't change; I'm not going to expect Focus to suddenly let counters give TP back or Dodge to suddenly increase guard proc rate. It just isn't possible given SE's track record.

[Arthars]

every enhance in game atm varies.

from aegis bash (wowwwwwwwwwww) to last resort effect(blehhhhhhh)
who would expect third eye enhancement on af2 actually gives counter? most prolly think blink extra only

SE's way of enhancing something is unique, if they want to, like the above.

but they can also do simple/dull ones like straightforward enhancements (souleater enhancement types)

so no one can really tell how they going to enhance JA from mystics, it can really be out of box enhancements.
but we wont know, until someone makes it(ALMA GOOoooooooo)

either way, neo is going to flame it for sure! XD

[Shinta]

One example of new functionality is PLD relic changing Cover to return MP back. But yeah, that doesn't really prove anything one way or the other.

[Sanjiyan]

Aegis bash basically just made it so it bashed for more damage. I guess that's nice and all but it didn't really change anything.

Valor surcoat's enhance cover is a good point, I forgot about that, but that seems to be the exception.

Maybe I'm just not creative enough, because at the bases focus and dodge is as simple as a JA gets. One gives acc, one gives eva, both on a timer. There's no detrimental effects associated with it, and we already have AF that enhances it's potency and merits to reduce it's recast. So yeah... maybe SE will throw something from outfield but it's a good bet they won't given they are after all, SE.

Remember SE says mythics are meant to enhance the job's characteristics, so what makes a MNK special? Nothing really. MNK is the least special of the DD class. They do damage, and I guess counter is pretty special.... before third eye and retaliation at least.

Watch SE make "augments focus/dodge" as giving 10% more HP when it's active. lol

[Melios]

The entire Imperial royal family and their officers have been picked up for this episode of Punk'd. Balrahn is Ashton Kutcher.

I demand someone photoshop this!

[Nightmarelord]

Earlier today i noticed a SHITLOAD of alex on the black market (previously batillia downs nao upper jeuno home point crystal) me thinks with the release of this info, alot of Jpizzles arent particularly happy? O_O

[Alistaire]

Earlier today i noticed a SHITLOAD of alex on the black market (previously batillia downs nao upper jeuno home point crystal) me thinks with the release of this info, alot of Jpizzles arent particularly happy? O_O

We found out today a JP in our shell knew about the disappointment, thought he'd read here but he hadn't. So yeah, word has gotten around.

[Nightmarelord]

We found out today a JP in our shell knew about the disappointment, thought he'd read here but he hadn't. So yeah, word has gotten around.

yeah, info spreads quickly, i read jacks info on here first, next thing i see its on ki in the sam forum lol.

[Yugl]

Aegis bash basically just made it so it bashed for more damage. I guess that's nice and all but it didn't really change anything.

Valor surcoat's enhance cover is a good point, I forgot about that, but that seems to be the exception.

Maybe I'm just not creative enough, because at the bases focus and dodge is as simple as a JA gets. One gives acc, one gives eva, both on a timer. There's no detrimental effects associated with it, and we already have AF that enhances it's potency and merits to reduce it's recast. So yeah... maybe SE will throw something from outfield but it's a good bet they won't given they are after all, SE.

Remember SE says mythics are meant to enhance the job's characteristics, so what makes a MNK special? Nothing really. MNK is the least special of the DD class. They do damage, and I guess counter is pretty special.... before third eye and retaliation at least.

Watch SE make "augments focus/dodge" as giving 10% more HP when it's active. lol

Martial Arts++!

[Ayn]

Ive never seen so many people pissed that others were upset in my life. People SHOULD be upset over these mythics, especially the ones that have already done alot of the quests and/or bought alot of alex.

I think we both did if you recall the AV Souleater change, but yeah. Glad I held off on it, feel bad for the others that were banking on them being awesome. At the same time, that's *why* I held off, since the original interpretation of the aftermath made it a hard decision between my various jobs.