Mythic Weapon Information (Page1 - hot new info!)

[ringthree]

The problem with these semi-vague statements is more that they don't pan out, which makes it look like the people saying them don't know what they're talking about:

SE: /kneel to avoid Odin's auto-KO move.
SE: we designed mythic weapons to be easier to get than relics
SE: AV video
SE: gibberish about killing PW that still doesn't mean you won't get raped trying to actually do it
GMs: Earth Staff isn't enough dmg/why are you holding that pet?/Steam Cleaner is working fine/ATNM Test is working as intended

Both SE reps and GMs as groups repeatedly show they know less about this game than people who've just bought accounts to play it.

This game would have a lot more satisfied players if the 3 big "endgame obstacle courses" (sky, sea, znm) had an end more like the first. It's not so much that those are the only things to do in the game (they definitely aren't), but the poor design resulting in God-mode bosses post-Kirin really don't give much hope for what WotG's "sky" will involve.

You just proved my point exactly.

You are just bitching while a good percentage of the game is being improved, you are pointing out major but small flaws. I really don't care about the stuff you are talking about, because it either gets fixed in a short amount of time or it's stuff you should have moved on from a long time ago.

Talk about fixation. And that is the reason that they don't give us more information anymore. Because people like you will bitch about everything and anything. Instead of focusing on important things people like you just whine incessantly.

There is a balance between the whiners and the sycophants. I believe I have said this before. You aren't saying anything new, you aren't saying anything that everyone here hasn't heard a thousand times before. You are just whining.

I think it's funny that people get yelled at for bringing up the players doing something wrong (duping, hacking, RMT) but if SE does anything even slightly wrong the whiners will go on for literally years about the same old stuff. And I am not even saying you are wrong about your criticisms and I agree with most of them. It's the whiny teenage angsty entitled attitude that gets so old, and that is the attitude that makes SE gun shy to talk more openly about ideas and projects they have considered, because they always get stupid kids crying about the same stupid thing. Doesn't mean that SE shouldn't have a thicker skin too, and be more willing to admit when things may or may not happen either. Balance like I said before.

[ringthree]

I'm not promoting WoW, merely pointing out that they've clearly got some kind of winning formula to have that many subscribers.

It's more of a "I wish SE would get their act together" statement than "WoW is better than FFXI" because I still maintain ours is the better game. Our Dev Team is merely the Three Stooges on drugs. Until they fix a bunch of the aforementioned issues I will continue to have absolutely no faith in them and simply roll with whatever the hell they do. It'd be nice if I could actually play BLM SMN and NIN and enjoy it though.

Grass is always greener right? Have you even played WoW? It's a completely different game from FFXI.

You are absolutely comparing apples and oranges in comparing anything about that game to this one.

[dejet]

who wants to start a long ass email chain to state se needs to do what we say? they dont read areas like this (or the forums here for that matter(much anyways)) sending them this in their email box one at a time dont work all that well. anyone have head of SE email? send them a email that 5000+ people(who play a game that makes them like 50% their game money) and they might do something

[ringthree]

who wants to start a long ass email chain to state se needs to do what we say? they dont read areas like this (or the forums here for that matter(much anyways)) sending them this in their email box one at a time dont work all that well. anyone have head of SE email? send them a email that 5000+ people(who play a game that makes them like 50% their game money) and they might do something

Yes! And lets do an on-line petition too! We could get thousands of signatures!

[dejet]

idk if your joking lol but i bet we could get 5000+ np at all. id do it with playonline but i dont think anyone with rmt crap going around would want to.

RoZ is 5 years old now, We need to get it in their heads(and i dont mean once a year at a interview) that kings are old RoZ relics still rain king(some of em) buff the myths. i dont think people would care to much if their relic from 4 years back just became the 2nd best wep. hell it gives them something to go after next... dont make droped items the best or anything fine... but the new relics should be harder to get and be better

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i think thats it...

[LD]

RDM got 99 problems, but a buff ain't one, HIT ME!

Fixed. -_-

Fixed your fix

SUP DAWG, I HEARD YOU LIKE QUOTES.

[ronin sparthos]

Saying "they aren't even trying" is a big assed lie and you know it.

The problem is, they are trying, but they are taking too fucking long to actually fix things. Also they really need to improve relations between the NA/EU playerbase, and the devs-- needs to be on a more day-by-day basis, and not every 1-year-fanfest where both connect.

I fully agree that the bolded text is what kills SE every time in terms of keeping a happy NA/EU playerbase. They are indeed trying hard with making better content (stuff like caskets/FoV are common sense and great) but the feeling from too much of the playerbase is that we live on a tiered system where JP players come first then everyone else. SE has a long way to go in changing that idea in the minds of many players. (I think Elmer summed it up best long ago in a quote of his)

Is it so hard to hire an intermediate person whose sole job is to gleam ideas from the players (to talk on forums on behalf of the dev team, for example) then relay it back to the dev team who is willing to take on the said ideas of the players? Stuff like you know... HNMs with crappy drops, reasons behind why Star Sapphires are rarer than Salvage 35s etc.

You get to speak to the developers ONCE a year and in that time you get maybe 2% of the total questions that people from all spectrums of the playerbase would like to ask the dev team. Everything else? Wait till next year or pray it gets "fixed" in a version update. No wonder people are pissed when Stratics asks a question about keyboards and controllers.

Mythics? How many years did SE get the SAME vibes from the playerbase about how to make a GOOD mage weapon?
-"We dont want to melee with it"
-"We want unique spells attached"
-"We want it to blow the fuck outta HQ staves by a longshot, not just a sidegrade"
-"We want the weapons to actually be TAILORED for the job"

What does SE output with years of common knowledge? Mage weapons that are designed for meleeing. Lets not even forget these weapons are harder to get than the laughable Claustrum. Was it so hard to..... LISTEN TO THE PLAYERS?

No wonder people get bent outta shape and abuse faulty mechanics within the game - the devs obviously are using selective listening, why wouldnt the players?

The day SE gets someone to speak with real players on a weekly/bi-weekly basis would be a great day for FFXI.

[dejet]

all this just makes me happy that i want a RoZ relic and not ToAU lol

[urat]

The day SE gets someone to speak with real players on a weekly/bi-weekly basis would be a great day for FFXI.

Agreed, who knows the game and what it needs better than the people who play it?

[Midnightjade]

Though, SE should just go and spend a bit just stepping back and all out fixing stuff instead of plumming down more events. I wouldn't mind it if they spent one entire update fixing all their past mistakes, summoners, rdm, bst, pup, av, pw, pretty much everythign their is wrong with the game. Just sit and fix it.

Fixing broken stuff is a good idea, but honestly RDM shouldn't be in that list. Fine, they could increase the number of chapeaux that drop in Dynamis, but other than that the class works as intended.

The other jobs, NMs and so on in that list could use some attention though.

[Kaylia]

Saying "they aren't even trying" is a big assed lie and you know it.

The problem is, they are trying, but they are taking too fucking long to actually fix things. Also they really need to improve relations between the NA/EU playerbase, and the devs-- needs to be on a more day-by-day basis, and not every 1-year-fanfest where both connect.

If you have to ask someone the same thing for 2 years, and they still don't change it, I'm gonna say they aren't trying. The fact that people are still going to camp fafnir for something other than black belt after 4 years is just wrong. Absolute Virtue and Pandemonium, Mage's weapon, useless campaigns ops, insane requirement for nyzul relic..etc

[jimbobsonofgod]

Sad thing is people continue to do it, so square goes "if people still poppin AV PW / relics / mythics/ no reason to change anything , because people are still playing."

Working as intended.

They are continuing to get our money.

[Sunrider]

other than that the class works as intended.

I didn't realize you were on the development staff and knew how they felt about how jobs turned out.

You are on the development staff, right? That's the only way you could say for certain whether a job was "working as intended."

Last I checked, that development staff expressed interest in further development in RDM's melee role. That's what they want to see updated, so that's what they're focusing on.

So maybe it's not "working as intended," or maybe they just changed their minds.

[Sho]

If you have to ask someone the same thing for 2 years, and they still don't change it, I'm gonna say they aren't trying. The fact that people are still going to camp fafnir for something other than black belt after 4 years is just wrong. Absolute Virtue and Pandemonium, Mage's weapon, useless campaigns ops, insane requirement for nyzul relic..etc

So you forgo all of the small fixes they've made to the game to make it more worthwhile to play? I think them making lower lvl soloing easier, faster Dyna drops, cheaper Dynamis/Limbus, Nomads in Selbina/Mhaura, easier to get THF Knives and/or Bracelets, recharging bands in any major city... (amongst other small things) was a huge step in the right direction, even if most of them were slowassed changes. Most of these things if not all was asked for over 2 years indeed, but at least they fulfilled them and changed it up.

As for Fafnir, that's something that simply won't change-- people are too hopeful for a Kings change; that's what KS99/Einherjar is for (and Ridill isn't so hot anymore anyways, apart from DRK zerging). Won't get any where with AV or Pandemonium either, should know this by now. Don't forget that after all these years, SE really lacks afterthought, after they put something in place that they are sure of, they rarely go back to change it, hence why instead of a change to certain NMs, we get a slew of side-grades to top gear or insane requirements for random crap.

[Kaylia]

So you forgo all of the small fixes they've made to the game to make it more worthwhile to play? I think them making lower lvl soloing easier, faster Dyna drops, cheaper Dynamis/Limbus, Nomads in Selbina/Mhaura, easier to get THF Knives and/or Bracelets, recharging bands in any major city... (amongst other small things) was a huge step in the right direction, even if most of them were slowassed changes. Most of these things if not all was asked for over 2 years indeed, but at least they fulfilled them and changed it up.

As for Fafnir, that's something that simply won't change-- people are too hopeful for a Kings change; that's what KS99/Einherjar is for (and Ridill isn't so hot anymore anyways, apart from DRK zerging). Won't get any where with AV or Pandemonium either, should know this by now. Don't forget that after all these years, SE really lacks afterthought, after they put something in place that they are sure of, they rarely go back to change it, hence why instead of a change to certain NMs, we get a slew of side-grades to top gear or insane requirements for random crap.

Let's say you were the head programmer. Do you seriously think you couldnt fix many issues by simply changing a few variable and parameter? I know they changed a few thing and listened to complaints, but do you really think they are doing a good job at it?

I'm saying they are lazy, because I'm certain that I could fix many issue with the game, without making it "too easy" or killing the team play.

[Titanss]

RDM has 99 problems, but the need for a buff isn't one

I got the rap patrol on the gat patrol
Foes that wanna make sure my rdm casket's closed

[Sho]

Let's say you were the head programmer. Do you seriously think you couldnt fix many issues by simply changing a few variable and parameter? I know they changed a few thing and listened to complaints, but do you really think they are doing a good job at it?

I'm saying they are lazy, because I'm certain that I could fix many issue with the game, without making it "too easy" or killing the team play.

No worries, I totally agree with you on the fact that they aren't acting how they really should with the updates, but I'm not sure I can totally agree with "lazy"-- I like to think they are just very slow or stupid to changing some things around. I do believe they are trying to make a conscious effort to be more on point with pleasing the player base however, despite the speed. Either way, devs don't really play thier own endgame, etc.

[Kaylia]

Well, I don't think they are sitting on their ass either, but they are kinda disconected from their playerbase.

[Sho]

Totally, lol. Like I said earlier, it's really sad they only connect with us during fanfests. Even then it's mostly force fed info.

[ringthree]

Let's say you were the head programmer. Do you seriously think you couldnt fix many issues by simply changing a few variable and parameter? I know they changed a few thing and listened to complaints, but do you really think they are doing a good job at it?

I'm saying they are lazy, because I'm certain that I could fix many issue with the game, without making it "too easy" or killing the team play.

I have to say this is completely pompous. We all "think" we know what is the best way to develop this game, but seriously in the end these guys get paid the big bucks to do what they do and we are all posting in an internet forum to bitch.

Not saying they are doing everything right or that there isn't a ton that could be fixed, but to suggest that if you were there you could fix it all with the snap if your fingers is pure hubris.

You have no idea about their financial situation, their programming resources, their hardware resources, limitations, workload, workflow, play testing or any of the thousands of things that have to happen before anything is done to the game.