MMM findings

[Karbuncle]

Those should be labelled under 51 and post 51. You can easily handle SM+M once you get penta thrust unless you are using a bad setup. At 75 you switch to voucher 2 for merits.

i was taking into account most people you'll pick up are gimp-shits who usually fulltime AF

[Arcanesoul]

Do the tiers stay open? Or do you have to re-clear lower ones for another attempt?

No one's clarified this yet who's beaten it. It would be nice to know exactly how the MMM Members card is involved in this. Is a win recorded automatically on your card, or do you need to trade the card to a Goblin?

Last question. Whats the drop rate on the gnole NM? Can I get it (lunaris claws) to drop if I met the requirements of decreasing his HP very low but NOT killing the gnole.

There's still lack of information on this. Drop rate is still unclear until more people do this. Given the rate the JP's are finding the drops for each NM, it seems reasonable. The drops for each stage seem frequent too, but we need more data.
So far no one has posted that they've seen a drop pool if they don't defeat it (and the quote below suggests it too).

We fought the Slug NM today until it faded into nothingness. Does this mean we killed it or just timed out? Also what is this MMM Member's card used for?

Edit: Sorry didn't mention it was MMM9. Fought the Flan one. We actually killed it (Gumdrop was defeated message showed up) and got Tern necklace and other trash drops.

What message did you get when it faded? (it definitely gives a message if you don't earn enough points)
Were any NPC's up after the Slug faded?
Were any NPC's up after the Flan died?
Did you get a loot pool when the Slug faded?

Can you check when you try next whether you need to trade the MMM Members card to unlock the next tier or if it's automatic?
Can you use the card on someone else's maze if you need trade the card to the Gob (and who's does the win get recorded on then)?
Does your win history get reset at any point?

If the Member's card is not recording wins, then what does trading it to the Gobs do when you have some points from previous wins (or survivals)?

I guess these questions are for anyone who's done this too.

[Evane]

When we fought the slug it was our first time. We recived 100xp, silver bullets and some horn. We used maze compass immediately so I'm not sure if NPCs were up or not. The 2nd time when we actually defeated the flan we got 1000xp, tern necklace and other trash drops. When the MMM card was traded to the gob my friend said he mentioned "writing what happened down" or "letting us pass."

Also the buffs you get for your C.C points apply to everyone in the party.

[Purrrfect]

So I've never done MMM before (made a maze when it came out and found Toughs so I warped...). Do I need to do the marble mazes a bit to build a supply of those up, or are they just for side stuff? I guess if it matters I'd like to do some exp runs with possibly less than a full party, probably 75+.

[Sumiko]

Sorry for the MMM newbie question... but a while back I joined a JP group for MMM XP. I told them I didn't have a Maze Voucher, but they said it was "ok" and to just copy someone's maze.

When I did, I noticed that it had around 4000 copies... but the thing was, it was just a plain Maze Voucher 02, no other runes attached to it like all the other copied mazes I saw. And briefly skimming these threads, most of the XP mages suggest a certain number of runes to be added so we can get birds and stuff...

Yet the JPs were just perfectly fine with me using a blank ._. Aren't there fear of elementals or something?

So I wonder, can my empty ol' Maze Voucher 02 still be of use for XPing purposes? Or should I start farming for runes solo so I can be of use to my friends that want to MMM XP? And if so, what's a good setup for rune farming?

[LinktheDeme]

Sorry for the MMM newbie question... but a while back I joined a JP group for MMM XP. I told them I didn't have a Maze Voucher, but they said it was "ok" and to just copy someone's maze.

When I did, I noticed that it had around 4000 copies... but the thing was, it was just a plain Maze Voucher 02, no other runes attached to it like all the other copied mazes I saw. And briefly skimming these threads, most of the XP mages suggest a certain number of runes to be added so we can get birds and stuff...

Yet the JPs were just perfectly fine with me using a blank ._. Aren't there fear of elementals or something?

So I wonder, can my empty ol' Maze Voucher 02 still be of use for XPing purposes? Or should I start farming for runes solo so I can be of use to my friends that want to MMM XP? And if so, what's a good setup for rune farming?

it's not blank you need to give it time to load

[Cymmina]

So I've never done MMM before (made a maze when it came out and found Toughs so I warped...). Do I need to do the marble mazes a bit to build a supply of those up, or are they just for side stuff? I guess if it matters I'd like to do some exp runs with possibly less than a full party, probably 75+.

Yes and no. If the maze you wish to do is popular, it will be found on Duplidoc (exp/merits, marble farming, fishing, certain voucher 07 NMs, etc). Duplidoc gets wiped every time there is a maintenance, but popular mazes will be quickly reposted. Prior to this last update, Voucher 05 was the only maze that had "good" rewards and wasn't commonly found on Duplidoc (because the runes don't really affect the outcome of the reward, only how quickly you can clear and the marbles you get).

A good Voucher 9 setup will likely require several stat runes (500 marbles each), 70 series runes (most are less than 300), and probably 094 (500 marbles).

[Gemera]

this ^. Once I get to the gnole, do I just get to keep him or If I lose I gotta kill the others again.

Last question. Whats the drop rate on the gnole NM? Can I get it (lunaris claws) to drop if I met the requirements of decreasing his HP very low but NOT killing the gnole.

When you kill each tier NM, you trade the MMM card to the goblin after the fight and he records the data (Level 5 for killing the NM). Next time that person enters, they trade their card to Sadistiq and they are allowed to pop any tiered mob so long as they have killed at least one of the previous tiers on their card. You're more than welcome to spam Gnole given you've killed at least one T1 and a T2.

To get the good drops (weapons etc) you have to kill the NM. If you don't kill the NM, you'll get some trash crafting mats.

[Gemera]

No one's clarified this yet who's beaten it. It would be nice to know exactly how the MMM Members card is involved in this. Is a win recorded automatically on your card, or do you need to trade the card to a Goblin?



There's still lack of information on this. Drop rate is still unclear until more people do this. Given the rate the JP's are finding the drops for each NM, it seems reasonable. The drops for each stage seem frequent too, but we need more data.
So far no one has posted that they've seen a drop pool if they don't defeat it (and the quote below suggests it too).



What message did you get when it faded? (it definitely gives a message if you don't earn enough points)
Were any NPC's up after the Slug faded?
Were any NPC's up after the Flan died?
Did you get a loot pool when the Slug faded?

Can you check when you try next whether you need to trade the MMM Members card to unlock the next tier or if it's automatic?
Can you use the card on someone else's maze if you need trade the card to the Gob (and who's does the win get recorded on then)?
Does your win history get reset at any point?

If the Member's card is not recording wins, then what does trading it to the Gobs do when you have some points from previous wins (or survivals)?

I guess these questions are for anyone who's done this too.

In order for Sadistiq to pop, you have to take the NM before 50% otherwise you'll get some generic message saying you didn't do well enough. Given you get the NM before 50% but timeout, the mob will depop and Sadistiq will appear so you can trade your card. You only get good drops if you kill the NM.

I haven't tested it out, but I believe you can't pop a higher NM for someone if the person who entered hasn't killed a T1.

[urat]

Description:
The level of the monsters in the maze scales directly to Chaperix's current level with a bonus or penalty depending on the quest being done. All monsters check as Impossible to Gauge.

Compatible Ruins:

Spoiler: show

Rune 017: Supreme Might; Monsters far more formidable than the client will be lured into the maze.

Rune 018: Might; Monsters more formidable than the client will be lured into the maze.

Rune 019: Weakness; Monsters less formidable than the client will be lured into the maze.

Rune 020: Peon; Monsters far less formidable than the client will be lured into the maze.

Runes 029~037: Strength/Dexterity/Agility/Vitality/Intellect/Mind/Charisma/Hardiness/Mysticism; Your goblin apprentice will be granted enhanced STR/DEX/AGI/VIT/INT/MND/CHR/HP/MP, respectively

Runes 051~056: Warrior/Monk/White Mage/Black Mage/Red Mage/Thief; Your goblin apprentice will display enhanced fighting/Hand to Hand/White Magic/Black Magic/Red Magic/Thieving skills

Rune 099: Replenishment Contract; The maze will be stocked with boxes of
provisions.

Rune 100: Trial by Velocity; Complete your quests quickly and a surprise may be in store for you...

Rune 101: Trial by Budget; The maze will be cheaply constructed and particularly unstable.

Rune 102: Trial by Numbers; Additional quests will be assigned to you.

Rune 103: Amnesiac's Trial; You will be unable to use abilities within the maze.

Rune 104:Trial by Silence; You will be unable to cast spells within the maze.

Rune 106: Guidance Contract; You will be outfitted with a Maze Pearl that gives "tips" for completing the maze.

Rune 108: Conditioning Contract; Your Goblin apprentice will prove to be a quick learner.

Rune 114~116: Walloper/Barrager/Spellslinger; Your Goblin apprentice will demonstrate an aptitude for pounding his foes/hurling explosives at your foes/the mystical arts

Wiki has an excellent write up for this run @ http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Actualization_Team

[Cymmina]

I'm not sure that a nuking belt (+4 INT, +2 MAB) is worth pursuing anymore, not with the addition of the Cognition Belt (+7 INT). With a poor gear set, it's a 4~5 damage difference in favor of the Moblin Cest, while only a 1~4 damage difference with an ideal gear set (using HQ staves, didn't do the math with Magians). That's looking at only Tier IV/V spells (assuming the base/modifiers I used for T5s are correct), not AMII.

[Zag]

When you kill each tier NM, you trade the MMM card to the goblin after the fight and he records the data (Level 5 for killing the NM). Next time that person enters, they trade their card to Sadistiq and they are allowed to pop any tiered mob so long as they have killed at least one of the previous tiers on their card. You're more than welcome to spam Gnole given you've killed at least one T1 and a T2.

To get the good drops (weapons etc) you have to kill the NM. If you don't kill the NM, you'll get some trash crafting mats.

which monster is the easiest? we tried 2 blood wepon with lvl 80 drk and i used hundred fists twice on the spider NM vermin, and he lives and after fanatics drink wore we got owned 3 hits from 3200 HP to 0. didnt qualify in dmg and Nm depopped. Its hard to find a perfect setup like with a rdm or brd cause noone does MMM except JP and JP do exp only it seems.

[Jimothy]

One advantage of the MMM belt is that its all jobs, not sure if any others could really benefit from it though (NIN nuker maybe?)

[ronin sparthos]

So I've never done MMM before (made a maze when it came out and found Toughs so I warped...). Do I need to do the marble mazes a bit to build a supply of those up, or are they just for side stuff? I guess if it matters I'd like to do some exp runs with possibly less than a full party, probably 75+.

You can either use the NPC Duplidoc and use pre-made mazes created by other players or look into doing Voucher 06 for marbles to build up your own collection of runes. Voucher 06 involves a minigame of finding 3 treasure chests while avoiding true sight monsters.

If you're purely interested in EXP runs, Duplidoc will almost always have an EXP maze up for use.

The most common EXP mazes will be something along the lines of:

Pre-75

Aquan/Bird - 01, 03
Supreme Might - 18
Conditioning Contract - 108
Trial by Numbers - 102
Tiny Warrior - 14
Sustinence Contract - 109

75 and beyond

Bird/Demon - 03, 10
Might - 17
Supreme Might - 18
Conditioning - 108
Trial by Numbers - 102
Tiny Warrior - 14
Sustinence Contract - 109

This is usually under Voucher 01 - MMM Sanitation Alpha. Manaburn mazes will usually stick to Aquans but maintain the same scheme of runes and run Alpha or Beta.

EXP mazes are composed of 3 sets of VT-IT mobs so if you want to do EXP with less than a party you might want to just use might-only mazes.

[Eldelphia]

I hope nobody minds but the HUGE MMM thread, whilst fantastic is really a pain to wade through and even searching for posts gives you a lot to go through.

Voucher 09 - buy from Chatnachoq from 100 marbles.

From the announcement:

Maze Voucher 09: MMM Revitalization Team

Mazes created with the new Revitalization Team voucher will pit players against powerful notorious monsters, with the goal of dealing as much damage as possible within the fifteen-minute time limit. Even if unsuccessful in slaying their foe, players will be eligible for rewards based upon its remaining hit points. Upon creating your first Revitalization Team maze, the maze master Sadistiq will present you with the "MMM Members' Card" item. Trade this item to Sadistiq after each battle and he will record your best scores, allowing you to unlock more foes as your rank increases.

To get good drops, you have to defeat the NM however taking the NM down to under 50% will allow you to gain credit in some way which is recorded on your MMM card.

You can buy temp items with cave conservation points from Sadistiq and use them to help during the fight. The buffs from these are party wide?

You gain xp and synth mats if you take the mob under 50% but the decent item drops only come if you kill the NM?

NMs can fade into nothingness - is this time related?

There is a tiered system, defeating an NM gains you access to others.

I'll update this post if it's useful.

[ronin sparthos]

Gumdrop

-Uses En-blind on melee attacks.
-Uses Chainspell at some point.
-Frequents Xenoglossia (allows a spell to instacast once)
-Uses all t4, t3 -ga spells.

Slug

-2 "modes": normal and meikyo shisui modes.
-Resistant to magical damage normally, physical damage seems normal.
-Uses all -ooze attacks except the gear strip normally.
-During Meikyo Shisui becomes weak to magic and absorbs physical attacks.
-Will use the gear strip ooze attack during 2hr and cling to the person with hate regening in the process.
-En-slow on melee attacks?

Diremite

-En-poison on melee attacks.
-Uses all Diremite TP moves.
-Uses Hundred Fists.
-Suceptible to Gravity. Builds resistance over time.

Mobs depop after either full-wiping or 15mins after first engaging (it could be from when the gob spawns it). The maze pearl rune allows for a status report on the NMs HP without using infobar.

[Francisco]

http://www.ffxiah.com/item.php?id=13053

Dropped off the Flan.

[Panthera]

Since the 9 hour maintenence on 7/7 can there still be a problem entering the MMM battlefield? particularly the voucher01 area, especially during JP prime time, or has that finally been resolved?

No that they specified that that was what they were addressing, but one would hope they noticed our displeasure about that as been mentioned numerous times on BG forums, and -9- hour maintenance had to have been for *some* purpose.

[Drakath]

Since the 9 hour maintenence on 7/7 can there still be a problem entering the MMM battlefield? particularly the voucher01 area, especially during JP prime time, or has that finally been resolved?

No that they specified that that was what they were addressing, but one would hope they noticed our displeasure about that as been mentioned numerous times on BG forums, and -9- hour maintenance had to have been for *some* purpose.

It's still a problem

[Deluge]

A mab belt is cool for cor, not sure if there is a better alternative