MMM findings

[gozaimasu]

My friend and I have been doing MMM for awhile trying to get Koggelmander, but we can't get it to drop.
Right now our rune is Might, Dark Magic, Lizard, Lost and found, and Great warrior.
Great warrior and dark magic are resonated on the 3rd tabula.
What else should we get to increase drop rate >.<?
do duplicated runes have smaller drop rate?

Also, Where does Supreme Might drop from? Can you increase it's drop rate?
Thanks for the help @_@!!

[ronin sparthos]

My friend and I have been doing MMM for awhile trying to get Koggelmander, but we can't get it to drop.
Right now our rune is Might, Dark Magic, Lizard, Lost and found, and Great warrior.
Great warrior and dark magic are resonated on the 3rd tabula.
What else should we get to increase drop rate >.<?
do duplicated runes have smaller drop rate?

Also, Where does Supreme Might drop from? Can you increase it's drop rate?
Thanks for the help @_@!!

Duplicated mazes dont have a different drop rate, half my total drops for others have been through duplication. One tip is to definitely save CC points for runs because the drop rate from a 6 point chest is alot better than the normal chest drop rate.

Id suggest using Might + Job along with the rest of your runes and Supreme Might is from runs without L+F on.

Warrior and Black Mage are pretty good job runes to use.

[Gergall]

Also, Where does Supreme Might drop from? Can you increase it's drop rate?
Thanks for the help @_@!!

Supreme Might can drop anywhere, as long as you do NOT use Lost+Found. Just keep hacking away and you'll get it eventually.

Some people believe that finishing very quickly with Trial By Velocity in place will perhaps increase rune drops in general.

[Wolfknight]

My friend and I have been doing MMM for awhile trying to get Koggelmander, but we can't get it to drop.
Right now our rune is Might, Dark Magic, Lizard, Lost and found, and Great warrior.
Great warrior and dark magic are resonated on the 3rd tabula.
What else should we get to increase drop rate >.<?
do duplicated runes have smaller drop rate?

Also, Where does Supreme Might drop from? Can you increase it's drop rate?
Thanks for the help @_@!!

Get SM really, it's so terrible rate w/o SM + M set in my experience I went well over 0/45 w/only SM set to much better rate with SM + M.

[ronin sparthos]

Get SM really, it's so terrible rate w/o SM + M set in my experience I went well over 0/45 w/only SM set to much better rate with SM + M.

I feel M+Job = SM+M in both a droprate sense and from a sense that you wont take 15mins to kill a monster that can at times easily oneshot a well-geared PLD/NIN.

[Viq]

Not that anyone cares about either of these bits of news, but I finally got a fast cast+1 belt from V05 after 20+ runs. I only used rune 017, and it gave +2 marbles. I know that it won't ever match V06 for raw marbles, but it shouldn't be too hard to get 35+ marbles from a V05 run on top of a belt that you probably won't want. The only times I've run this with CC, I've had 2 CC and got the same marbles from CC chest as the normal chest. That obviously works out to (Marbles*.5)*CC, but I haven't test at higher or lower CC to see if that actually holds true. If it's right, and you can get a 35 marble maze (I'm guessing something like 017, 018, 100, 102, 103 should get to that number), then you could get 140 total marbles with full CC + 2 belts. It's not super awesome, but it's not that bad if you want to try and kill two birds with one stone.

[Wolfknight]

I feel M+Job = SM+M in both a droprate sense and from a sense that you wont take 15mins to kill a monster that can at times easily oneshot a well-geared PLD/NIN.

I never seen drop off non-SM + M personally, normally have a job or magic runes set though. Only Dhamel, Bugard, and maybe Goobbue can ones-shot a pld, none of the other NMs should even with SM + M.

[Gergall]

That obviously works out to (Marbles*.5)*CC, but I haven't test at higher or lower CC to see if that actually holds true.

This is standard for all mazes. Each CC is worth half the original marbles, exactly as you calculated it.

[Viq]

Ah, I didn't realize that. I was under the assumption that if runes can have different marble bonuses for each voucher, then CC could function the same way. It certainly makes sense for CC to be standardized.

[gozaimasu]

thanks a lot for the help \^^/

[ronin sparthos]

I never seen drop off non-SM + M personally, normally have a job or magic runes set though. Only Dhamel, Bugard, and maybe Goobbue can ones-shot a pld, none of the other NMs should even with SM + M.

Nelson and Stillness Tatzelwurm can easily dispatch a PLD in oneshot if you get Whirl Clawed or Nimble Snapped.

That's mainly why ive started using BLM+M on rabbit and M+WAR on eft.

[Bakthi]

I don't know if my SM+WAR setups having a vastly better drop rate than SM+M setups is due to happenstance or not. If not, maybe it's because SM and job runes are dropped, and M is purchased. All I know is that with SM+WAR, we filled up on drops almost immediately, then got some for friends of ours almost immediately as well. This was after a month of nothing with SM+M bunny, and later SM+M+Divine/Dark bunny. That's a month of doing MMM almost every day, before CC points were added.

[Frenzy]

I did my first voucher 03 try today going in as a Bst with the Aquan, Item and Linkpearl runes on a M1. To my great distress I encounter a bunch of non-Aquan uncharmable mobs.
Does that happen often (mobs different from the ones requested appearing) and is their a way to make sure only charmable mobs will appear?
Thanks for your help.

[Gergall]

I did my first voucher 03 try today going in as a Bst with the Aquan, Item and Linkpearl runes on a M1. To my great distress I encounter a bunch of non-Aquan uncharmable mobs.
Does that happen often (mobs different from the ones requested appearing) and is their a way to make sure only charmable mobs will appear?
Thanks for your help.

Sounds like a glitch. If you use Aquan on voucher 1 you will get only aquans...

[Tarubaby]

Hey possibly a stupid question, but we just started doing V05: Actualizaiton Team. We did a split where my wife farmed the left side for the quests and I did right side. We levelled him up to 5 then job changed to Walloper, but after that it wouldn't let us job change again at all (to Spellslinger before last battle). WHY? I went through all of the right side and got every item from the chests. I'm at a loss as to what I'm doing wrong.

[Nerull]

Hey possibly a stupid question, but we just started doing V05: Actualizaiton Team. We did a split where my wife farmed the left side for the quests and I did right side. We levelled him up to 5 then job changed to Walloper, but after that it wouldn't let us job change again at all (to Spellslinger before last battle). WHY? I went through all of the right side and got every item from the chests. I'm at a loss as to what I'm doing wrong.

Make sure the person that has the items from the chests is the one controling the gob to change his job. That's all I can think of.

[Viq]

Hey possibly a stupid question, but we just started doing V05: Actualizaiton Team. We did a split where my wife farmed the left side for the quests and I did right side. We levelled him up to 5 then job changed to Walloper, but after that it wouldn't let us job change again at all (to Spellslinger before last battle). WHY? I went through all of the right side and got every item from the chests. I'm at a loss as to what I'm doing wrong.

Were you using Rune 102? If you were, you have to talk to Switchlox, and then fight a Wyvern in the middle well for Walloper. After that he'll let you change jobs again.

[Tarubaby]

Were you using Rune 102? If you were, you have to talk to Switchlox, and then fight a Wyvern in the middle well for Walloper. After that he'll let you change jobs again.

I did have Rune 102 active. What does fighting the wyvern do? Reading up on it; it seems to say it adds an "ultimate technique" but beyond that I'm not seeing a lot on it. Thanks.

[Viq]

Each job has an "ultimate challenge" quest with 102 on. I don't think anyone has really figured out what it does exactly, but you can't get the job change dialogue again until you finish that quest. Walloper is a wyvern in the middle well, Barrager is a Peryton type bird in the left well, and Spellsinger gets a manticore in the right well.

EDIT: It's worth mentioning that the NMs are stupidly easy. They'll take maybe 30-45 seconds out of your run tops.

[Frenzy]

Sounds like a glitch. If you use Aquan on voucher 1 you will get only aquans...

Ummm... on voucher 1 it works like a charm. I was using voucher 3, it seems different for that. Can still get it to present me all-charmable mobs?