SCNM Triggers

[TacoTaru]

I was looking at low manning the triggers for the SCNM, mostly just the Davoi and Beadeaux ones.

I know a lot of these can be duo/trio by a RDM and a BLM, but I was more looking for trio tips for what could be done with a :
NIN, SAM, WAR
THF, PLD, BRD
RDM, WHM, BLM

From what I found, Beadeaux should be fairly easy or at least doable given a few tries to get the triggers with the job sets I have; La Vaule on the other hand looks a bit more difficult.

I checked other wiki, almost all the testimonials there just say to kite everything. Is that's what's going to need to be done, or is there a way that the NMs there can be whittled down while holding them?

Thanks in advance.

[Amastacia]

With enough patience, you could probably do most or all of the Beadeaux NMs with NIN, BRD, RDM (or SAM instead of NIN if they're good at tanking).

The goblin might be a little annoying, but I imagine you could pull it off if you got creative enough. Likewise the THF Quad will probably be a huge cunty PITA, but I see it being doable if you take your time.

Davoi, I haven't really small-manned. Done plenty in Beadeaux with 4-6 though, and I could see a lot of it being doable with 3.

[ninjafox]

Pretty sure you can't fight Cogtooth in La Vaule straight up. Its like fighting a giant ranger chigre. Attacks pretty fast, has massive status effects for every tp move it does and has tp regen. You're safest bet is to kite it.

The DRG orc reminds me of the splitting heirs boss in that in order to really straight tank it you'd need to have at the very least 2 blinkers since it spams jump for 800+ to well buffed plds

[Hakamaru]

Bres in Beadeaux will be fun for you. The way my small group does it is SAM/THF (yay TH), RDM/PLD, WHM/NIN. His dragon kicks can 1-shot any one of us (hence the WHM/NIN), and he favors that move. Luckily they come out slow most times and you can run away. Sometimes he'll get one off without much warning and someone goes down.

The RDM tanks / shares hate a lot like a PLD/WAR and just pops sentinel for hundred fists and lets him pound on his spikes for 30s. I found Seigan/TE to be better for tanking that NM than utsusemi on NIN/DNC because he caps ACC on you no matter what your evasion gear looks like and TE doesn't make you stand there and cast it for long periods of time. It also shortens the fight substantially.

Bastard needs to drop my boots! I think I'm 0/~10 now.

[TacoTaru]

Assuming you just wanted the trigger and not a drop what would you have your SAM sub if they were the only tank l? Also for Bres I was thinking of doing PLD/WAR SAM/THF and RDM/WHM but I figured it would a trial and error thing.

[Hakamaru]

Assuming you just wanted the trigger and not a drop what would you have your SAM sub if they were the only tank l? Also for Bres I was thinking of doing PLD/WAR SAM/THF and RDM/WHM but I figured it would a trial and error thing.

First I tried SAM/DNC. But you don't want to feed that guy a ton of TP from a Soboro, and Hagun SAM/DNC isn't the most amazing combo. In my party, there was no need for Waltzes for the most part. I only really used them to balance hate.

I think I would still go /THF even if I didn't care about the drop because if I go on a WS rampage, I can always TA the RDM to get hate back on balance. Normal DD subs would also work. He hits like a girl except for DK.

Closing Light SCs with Kasha are typically unresisted too... so keep that in mind.

[TacoTaru]

Thanks the help is much appeciated. Now if I could just get some Davoi info for melée smallman I might be good but the more I look into it the bleeker it gets.

[Korremar]

I've only got experience with La Vaule, but I've done the NMs in there several times each.

NIN, SAM, WAR
THF, PLD, BRD
RDM, WHM, BLM

Rugaroo: This guy's not hard at all really. NIN BRD RDM is more then enough to kill him, but you'll be at it for a while. His intimidate rate is frustrating as hell.

Agrios: As long as everyone's subbing NIN, this guy's fairly trivial. He doesn't do anything crazy, but his AoEs hit sorta hard.

All-Seeing Onyx Eye: He's probably the easiest of the NMs in here, but without having a pet job he'll be a frustrating lowman. If you can get a SMN, a BST, or probably even a PUP up there you can duo it no trouble, just have someone to take hate before the pet dies/is dismissed, and tank it backwards. Be ready to dump cures into whoever's got hate if he decides to AM -aga.

Draketrader Zlodgodd: If you've got WLegs on the RDM or PLD, he's not too hard. Pull him to the river and kite him back and forth all day. The fight's a little ugly until you learn how to consistently outdistance his jumps; it took us a few minutes to get stabilized, but after that it's just tedious.

Falsespinner Bhudbrodd: Treat him the same as Draketrader, he's basically identical. Make sure you outdistance his Fanatic's Dance if he uses it, the charm lasts forgoddamnedever.

Coinbiter Cjaknokk: If you can get him to either the river or the clear area where the BC entrance is, you can again treat him like Draketrader and Falsespinner, basically. I really doubt you're able to low-man him if you try to straight tank him, he just hits too hard/fast.

Cogtooth Skagnogg: This guy sucks. A lot. He's apparently BLM-burnable with nuke zoning, and a really, really good RDM can apparently solo him, but in all honesty I wouldn't even attempt low-manning him unless you're supremely confident.

Feeblescheme Bhogbigg: Our fight with this guy was absolutely horrid. I know we didn't do it well, but with what I saw, I wouldn't try this guy with less then 6-8 people. His vials will maul you with statuses, and Tornado Edge and heavy nukes are just too much to handle without proper support. He might be done with less people, but I don't know how.

[drwaffles]

Every NM in Beadeaux (S) and La Vaule (S) can be solo'd by RDM, so they should be easily doable with any combination of melee + healer or melee + healer + support.

[Tsuko_Asura]

I find that adding people to the picture just complicates things. Soloing La Vaule triggers isn't nearly as hard as duoing them with a melee.

[ronin sparthos]

Every NM in Beadeaux (S) and La Vaule (S) can be solo'd by RDM, so they should be easily doable with any combination of melee + healer or melee + healer + support.

How would you suggest lowmanning Observant Zekka?

[Tsuko_Asura]

How would you suggest lowmanning Observant Zekka?

One RDM. I suppose toss the Bard in there if you want to make it extra special easy.

[Arthars]

all davoi NMs can be done with PLD(with atonement) THF(drops) RDM WHM BRD

Warmachine(i solo this at zoneline), drk, drg, eye NM in davoi can be soloed by RDM(own experience), approx 45 mins per NM(longer for eye). River is your friend.

Gigas NM can be trio-ed with PLD WHM RDM. Wiki stated it soloable for rdm, but i guess im not that skilled yet ^^;

MNK can be Duo-ed easier with a PLD kiter

gnole NM is just an endurance fight, it wont kill anyone but intimitate is zzzzz, can prolly kill with PLD RDM WHM, PLD can totally ignore casting shadows

BLM NM only cock blocker in the zone. PLD WHM RDM BRD RNG can do it tho. RNG mainly focus on WS NM, and shoot those tubes.

PLD with atonement makes all these NM low-mannable if you dont wanna solo them




as for beadeux, almost the same as above. few variation tho:
Imp NM: lol you got the idea anyway, melee till it die do-able with PLD THF($$ prz) RDM
Fomor: normal
goblin: normal but use circle blade after bombs pop about 2-3 sec later(bombs also have claim timer lmao so dont circle blade too early)
PLD: rdm kite soloable, but ore lob may kill, better to bring another rdm or curer
DRK: same as PLD
WAR: same as PLD
RDM: same as PLD but better to melee this to death like imp. DONT SILENCE IT
THF: cockblocker like BLM in davoi. RNGs and BLM good at these, just find the right spot, nuke shoot etc. rather stupid as it keeps its range from you

Beadeux do not have many room to solo, very limited unlike davoi's river-of-win
If theres no one in zone, you can bring those NM to enterance and do DOT > nuke > zone tactic. This way, all NMs are soloable but you will need another friend to help peel.

sorry if its very vague, i just rush through and lazy to type their names ^^;
In general, just bring PLD THF RDM WHM BRD to win through everything, just need practice tho ^^ dont be afraid to die. zone is usually empty anyway w

[Tsuko_Asura]

You really think Agrios is difficult? I mean, that's not meant to be condescending at all, I just find him incredibly, incredibly easy. One round of Grand Slam is always absorbed by shadows, and the second and third just barely break Stoneskin.

[TacoTaru]

all davoi NMs can be done with PLD(with atonement) THF(drops) RDM WHM BRD

Assuming I didn't care about drops other than the lockbox, would it be safe to say that a PLD (with Atonement), NIN/DNC and a RDM could do all of Davoi with the methods you listed or no? (except maybe the BLM)

[drwaffles]

How would you suggest lowmanning Observant Zekka?

Fairly easy to solo on RDM, just control the amount of TP you give him in a group situation I suppose.

One round of Grand Slam is always absorbed by shadows, and the second and third just barely break Stoneskin.

After his first Slam I just run, his subsequent two will just lock him in animation and won't go off. The only remotely "difficult" thing about Agrios is that he's one of the few tanked SCNMs that can Double Attack (albeit infrequently)

[Tsuko_Asura]

After his first Slam I just run, his subsequent two will just lock him in animation and won't go off. The only remotely "difficult" thing about Agrios is that he's one of the few tanked SCNMs that can Double Attack (albeit infrequently)

This is one one of the examples of bringing more people just complicating things. Stupid Grand Slam is exactly the same as Gotoh Ja The Redolent's Groundburst, in that even if the target of the TP is out of range, he'll still use it if 'someone' is in range. So annoying -_-;

[ninjafox]

I'm not seeing how you can solo Cogtooth. Is it only zoneline solo? Otherwise I just don't see it happening, especially in the river

[Tsuko_Asura]

I'm not seeing how you can solo Cogtooth. Is it only zoneline solo? Otherwise I just don't see it happening, especially in the river

I copied Avesta's strategy, and it wasn't very hard at all. RDM/WHM(Erase), and kiting through the river. I'm sure it would be incredibly difficult if you don't have a MDB set to minimize Scattershot(magical equivalent of 1k Needles), but you can stay out of range of most attacks.

[SubzeroDiabolos]

We tried Coinbiter today and wiped >_>; Not because he's hard but I think it was bugged or have a real wierd behavior. We pulled it in the river np, flash and start kiting but he wouldn't stick to me I even used invincible to get hate, he didn't even look at me he just proceeded to rape the mages/melees.

Glitch or normal behavior?