The "Should Tanks Blink" thread.

[Belkin]

Just because you say my advice is invalid doesn't make it invalid. Does it matter who I am if my points are valid? Really, you guys are defending a guy who is saying pld/rdm is > pld/nin for DI and pld/blm > pld/drk for dynamis/einherjar. That right there is enough to discredit anything he says as he has no clue how to play PLD properly. And if you believe in that too, then you are an idiot also.

PLD/BLM is good for Einherjar.
PLD/NIN isn't exactly an AWESOME choice for Ixion either. Anything that can't be effected by slow will literally just eat shadows and you end up face tanking more often than not. Seriously, have you ever done anything more than watch people play PLD?

[kandiekane]

Most of what you posted was just parroting Merona's post using less intelligent wording, but this was too stupid to pass up.



Neither of those "force" you to play any particular way. SpellCast's entire feature set is optional, and there's no reason you'd ever be forced to use any part that may interfere with your tanking. You can use it to blink, or you can use it without blinking. It's actually substantially *MORE* flexible than any kind of pre-written macro, because it allows you to do things like automatically NOT blink if you're low on HP. Whether you blink or not, SpellCast is extremely powerful in the right hands, which apparently doesn't include you.

Also, blinking macros are no more or less restrictive than non-blinking macros. Either one is equally inflexible, should you want the other.

As usual, once you get away from quoting someone else and going "OH YA WHAT THEY SAID HA I PWNED U", you totally fail at making any kind of point.

Lastly, post your name and server. You cry out to new PLDs to not listen to us, but why should they listen to you? Until you prove otherwise, you're nothing but an anonymous troll that's better left ignored. You've yet to prove that you've tanked so much as Genbu on PLD, let alone all the stuff you claim to tank "on a daily basis".

So spellcast will know when you need more enmity vs haste? Know when you need more shield than enmity? Know when you need more haste than enmity? Know when you need more haste than shield? NO. All it is a conditional script that will equip things when certain flags are set. Needing more haste, enmity, shield, is NOT part of those flags.

[kandiekane]

PLD/BLM is good for Einherjar.
PLD/NIN isn't exactly an AWESOME choice for Ixion either. Anything that can't be effected by slow will literally just eat shadows and you end up face tanking more often than not. Seriously, have you ever done anything more than watch people play PLD?

PLD/DRK is better than PLD/BLM for Einherjar.

PLD/NIN IS an awesome choice for tanking Dark Ixion. If your tank can't keep shadows up on a slow'd and elegy'd DI, then something else is the problem.

Are you saying DI can't be effected by slow or elegy!? ummm, maybe your mages need to sub blm for ES instead of your PLDs LOL.

[Belkin]

Ixion is not effected by Slow. Sure you can land it, doesn't mean it takes effect

You better check yo'self fool, you are making yourself look like a god damn retard.

[kandiekane]

Ixion is not effected by Slow. Sure you can land it, doesn't mean it takes effect

You better check yo'self fool, you are making yourself look like a god damn retard.

Are you sure your tanks are not getting pwnd when it goes into crazy mode? And you think slow has no effect? Because I can keep my shadows up just fine.

[Valisk]

Just because you say my advice is invalid doesn't make it invalid. Does it matter who I am if my points are valid? Really, you guys are defending a guy who is saying pld/rdm is > pld/nin for DI and pld/blm > pld/drk for dynamis/einherjar. That right there is enough to discredit anything he says as he has no clue how to play PLD properly. And if you believe in that too, then you are an idiot also.

Unless I'm proven wrong by accountable PLD's, like tekki, stainslav, wopa, merona, whoever else that has all there is to have on pld

You do realize that Stanislav coverted to full time pld/rdm a long time ago right?

[kandiekane]

You do realize that Stanislav coverted to full time pld/rdm a long time ago right?

Subtract Stanislav from this list then cos he's a moron for doing so.

[Belkin]

Kandiekane : Well Stanislav is stupid!

[Belkin]

Oh my god I beat the game.

Stanislav IS a moron!

[kandiekane]

Stanislav IS a moron!

Yay, something we can all finally agree on!

[Valisk]

Oh my god I beat the game.

Well played sir. Well played.

[Belkin]

I was totally kidding, you are still retarded Kandie.

[Neosutra]

So did we ever find out where kandie is from? I'm on travel to visit the family so I may have missed it. Also, as vasilik asked earlier, I sat with damage reduct gear and shadow mantle getting hit by a robber crab for 4 hours and the % proc was about 9%. Unfortunately this may change by level gap, as I haven't tested that.

[Riel]

Then you've missed what people are saying. We aren't saying "Don't blink." We are saying: "Work with your healers and teammates to find what's best."

Neo has been advocating the position that the mages adapt to him; no ands, ifs, or buts and no room for compromise. When the reality is that everyone is different, and the best team is the one that works together.

Also, none of us have extreme problems healing a blinker(unless they are blinking every half-second). It can cause an issue; statistically, though, it's quite likely that there will come a point where a heal is desperately needed, and a blink at a bad time will happen. What happens then? The tank dies, the co-tank takes over, and the group adapts.

The only thing lost, is the tanks XP. Even more so, if he has to take an R1. If you are fine with losing more xp than needed, as a tank, and are confident of your ability to stay alive for long periods of time at low life, then I suppose you don't need to worry about working with your healers.

Working together? You mean catering to lazy or crappy mages? If it's that big of a deal, make a macro with the tank's name in it like people have said tens of times on this thread alone.

Sure Neo is being a dick about it, but in this case I think he's right. There is simply no excuse for not being able to reliably cure someone who 'blinks' other than sucking.

[kandiekane]

I was totally kidding, you are still retarded Kandie.

I hate when ppl get wooshed when it wasn't intended.

[Valisk]

Also, as vasilik asked earlier, I sat with damage reduct gear and shadow mantle getting hit by a robber crab for 4 hours and the % proc was about 9%. Unfortunately this may change by level gap, as I haven't tested that.

9% eh? Mine seems so much lower Well would it be better than Boxer's for Ichi? 9% chance to negate damage vs +10 shield skill always active (but dependant on 55%? shield proc).

[Belkin]

I hate when people have no idea how to play PLD

[kandiekane]

I hate when people have no idea how to play PLD

Then you must hate yourself a lot >.>

[kandiekane]

PLD/BLM is good for Einherjar.
PLD/NIN isn't exactly an AWESOME choice for Ixion either. Anything that can't be effected by slow will literally just eat shadows and you end up face tanking more often than not. Seriously, have you ever done anything more than watch people play PLD?

So, please enlighten us all on BG what is the best PLD subjob to fight Dark Ixion. Obviously you don't think it's /nin. So what is it?

And more importantly, what subjob do YOU tank it on as PLD?

[Judai]

People should just ignore the idiot. It's painfully obvious he just wants to feel special and important. The guy has obviously never tanked anything serious with his completely braindead view on tanking and subs.