The "Should Tanks Blink" thread.

[kandiekane]

Please just ignore kandie.

And kandie: You havent backed up anything you've said. And everything you've brought forth has been reputted by -everyone- here. You are wrong, please go away. I dont care if you dont blink, but the reasons you are listed are completely false.

I've backed up every single word I've said. wtf u smoking?

[Kaeko]

Sorry responding late,

So Neo it seems that the main switches we're talking about are an Ares body <> Hydra Haub (or I guess AF2 since Haubs are rare) and maybe some minor adjustments here or there (going to avoid haste vs. enmity on flash - that's really a topic worthy of another thread).

It's 1 piece really and it only really gives a large stat bonus if you're switching into a Hydra Haub. I guess it's your opinion that any mage that plays with you better get with the program and deal, but I still feel like you're doing yourself a dis-service by blinking constantly for that small change.

I can totally picture myself tanking, getting really anal about switches and wanting to switch to optimize everything (like I would on a mage job), some healer doesn't get with the program, me dying, and me getting pissed off. I wouldn't consider it my own fault, but I'm still dead and it could have been prevented had I not gone for a ~100 VE boost per flash. It's just minor... I'm all for optimization but really now.

Again, for me, it's just not worth the potential trouble it causes for others, even if it's their fault. I think if you only play with gosu gamer mages that know exactly how to optimize their play style and/or use windower then yea you can optimize fully.

The flash enmity vs. haste topic is probably something the plds in the thread should focus on more though. I think that would make a more significant difference in your hate generation than blinking or not considering the # of pieces involved is actually larger.

[Tsuko_Asura]

This really is an irrelevancy, though. Square already fixed the problem. You no longer require Windower, BlinkMeNot, or personal macros to deal with a blinking tank. At this point, if you can't handle it, its not a matter of being stubborn, its a matter of being incompetent.

[kandiekane]

Just got through reading and no, you were handed your ass Kandi. Please stop ruining this thread as well.

um, no, please reread and stop being a dipshit. Nothing cookies said makes sense AT ALL. If any other respectable PLD from BG wants to vouche for what cookies said, I will /bow out and admit i'm stupid. But look at what he's saying:

- /rdm is better than anything for dynamis/einherjar/limbus/aspid/sky/sea
- aegis pld better to sub rdm to tank DI than /nin
- I dont have time to go back and check what other BS he wrote

You, Neo, and cookies are the only 2 idiots trying to back yourselves up when even Kaeko (the man who discovered enmity) says he wouldn't blink like a fucking idiot for marginal gains.

Unless I'm proven wrong by accountable PLD's, like tekki, stainslav, wopa, merona, whoever else that has all there is to have on pld, pls STFU you two idiots and stop sucking each other's dick.

[Furionstormrage]

kandiekane please, stop posting in this thread.

It was a perfectly mature and civil discussion until you started posting, and personally I would like one "blink/don't blink" thread that isn't full of stupid insults and actually contains some intelligent discussion.

[kandiekane]

kandiekane please, stop posting in this thread.

It was a perfectly mature and civil discussion until you started posting, and personally I would like one "blink/don't blink" thread that isn't full of stupid insults and actually contains some intelligent discussion.

My responses are insulting, but not stupid and are very valid.

[Kaeko]

This really is an irrelevancy, though. Square already fixed the problem. You no longer require Windower, BlinkMeNot, or personal macros to deal with a blinking tank. At this point, if you can't handle it, its not a matter of being stubborn, its a matter of being incompetent.

I'll be honest I haven't been on much to test what exactly the new <stsl> or whatever does.

Even so, my general faith in the average player is quite low for something like this considering the # of crazy ways I've seen things macroed...

[[Cookies]]

um, no, please reread and stop being a dipshit. Nothing cookies said makes sense AT ALL. If any other respectable PLD from BG wants to vouche for what cookies said, I will /bow out and admit i'm stupid. But look at what he's saying:

- /rdm is better than anything for dynamis/einherjar/limbus/aspid/sky/sea
- aegis pld better to sub rdm to tank DI than /nin
- I dont have time to go back and check what other BS he wrote

You, Neo, and cookies are the only 2 idiots trying to back yourselves up when even Kaeko (the man who discovered enmity) says he wouldn't blink like a fucking idiot for marginal gains.

Unless I'm proven wrong by accountable PLD's, like tekki, stainslav, wopa, merona, whoever else that has all there is to have on pld, pls STFU you two idiots and stop sucking each other's dick.

Excuse me, I didn't say /RDM is better than anything. You said that everything is better than /RDM. It isn't hard to do simple math. I was using Kaeko's enmity table yet the information (which clearly points to /RDM being superior) is bullshit? OK.

[kandiekane]

Excuse me, I didn't say /RDM is better than anything. You said that everything is better than /RDM..

what I said was true. What you said was retarded.

[Furionstormrage]

My responses are insulting, but not stupid and are very valid.

Then please refer to the mature and civil.

Everyone else was perfectly capable of doing this before you began spouting insults out, try to act like an adult and have an intelligent conversation, or please, stop posting. The insults are really annoying and make you come off as childish, no matter how good or bad your points are.

[[Cookies]]

what I said was true. What you said was retarded.

I provided actual data clearly showing that /RDM is better. What have you done to show that /WAR or /DRK is better? That's right, nothing.

If your saying that the information in Kaeko's enmity table is wrong then you better have some evidence to back it up.

[kandiekane]

Then please refer to the mature and civil.

Everyone else was perfectly capable of doing this before you began spouting insults out, try to act like an adult and have an intelligent conversation, or please, stop posting. The insults are really annoying and make you come off as childish, no matter how good or bad your points are.

yes but to disagree with me because i'm childish, not because my statements are valid or not is wrong. Stop resorting to name calling me and I'll stop being defensive about it ^^

[kandiekane]

I provided actual maths clearly showing that /RDM is better. What have you done to show that /WAR or /DRK is better? That's right, nothing.

If your saying that the information in Kaeko's enmity table are wrong then you better have some evidence to back it up.

check out these 2 spells: sleep and bind.

Even if you have all those spells /rdm, the enmity added up means jack shit when they are dispersed between 5 mobs.

[[Cookies]]

check out these 2 spells: sleep and bind.

Where exactly do Sleep and Bind come in when Dispel and Blind will have a recast of ~6 seconds with any decent amount of haste. The total cast time for both spells is 5 seconds not including the small delay between spell casts, not to mention flash/cures.

Edit: btw Bind provides the same amount of enmity as Blind, if you didn't know, but the recast is 4x longer.

[kandiekane]

Where exactly do Sleep and Bind come in when Dispel and Blind will have a recast of ~6 seconds with any decent amount of haste. The total cast time for both spells is 5 seconds not including the small delay between spell casts, not to mention flash/cures.

/rdm, you get minimal CE/VE when casting bind,blind,dispel when your REAL JOB is to get initial hate on a mob. You can do that better with haste gear and stun+flash than you can ever with those other stupid spells. You know why? because sleepga2 from a blm and you won't be able to pull hate with any of your little /rdm spells.

Your best bet is to tag mobs with high VE spells, or tag them with low hate spells, and then alternate with high hate generating ja's like SE, LR, Sential, Rampart.

That's why pld/drk owns the shit out of /rdm.

[Furionstormrage]

yes but to disagree with me because i'm childish, not because my statements are valid or not is wrong. Stop resorting to name calling me and I'll stop being defensive about it ^^

Don't confuse disagreement with disregarding.

I'm not inclined to really give much credence to anything that anyone, not just yourself, has to say when they are incapable of doing it in a (I'll say it again) mature and civil manner.

[[Cookies]]

/rdm, you get minimal CE/VE when casting bind,blind,dispel when your REAL JOB is to get initial hate on a mob. You can do that better with haste gear and stun+flash than you can ever with those other stupid spells. You know why? because sleepga2 from a blm and you won't be able to pull hate with any of your little /rdm spells.

Your best bet is to tag mobs with high VE spells, or tag them with low hate spells, and then alternate with high hate generating ja's like SE, LR, Sential, Rampart.

That's why pld/drk owns the shit out of /rdm.

Sleepga II provides 180 CE. One Dispel and you will have hate. Now please, back up your statements with actual numbers before acting like you know what you're talking about.

Oh and if you cast Bind as /RDM you are gimp.

[kandiekane]

Sleepga II provides 180 CE. One Dispel and you will have hate. Now please, back up your statements with actual numbers before acting like you know what you're talking about.

Oh and if you cast Bind as /RDM you are gimp.

Sorry, i thought sleepga2 and sleep2 were the same. Sleep 2 is more hate than dispel, you still lose.

[[Cookies]]

Sorry, i thought sleepga2 and sleep2 were the same. Sleep 2 is more hate than dispel, you still lose.

Lose what exactly? You can't even give me a good reason why /BLM is better than /RDM for Einherjar/Dynamis. Well, I can give you one myself.

Sleepga & Sentinel, you can build large amounts of hate on several mobs at once. Of course, as /RDM you can just quickly Dispel/Blind/Sleep/Bind each mob and then use Sentinel after grabbing hate on everything. /BLM is just quicker.

Obviously, Diaga & Poisonga work too but that would only be in situations where you don't want the mobs to be sleeping, heck, you may aswell just super tank the mobs instead.

Still think I know nothing about endgame and don't know what im talking about?

[Neosutra]

I cant find your profile on FFXI AH, what server/LS are you from Kandie?