Some Corsair questions...

[Antithesis]

Non-DD cor is gimp, end of story. Just because you don't "need" the extra damage does not give you the right to leech EXP. If you'd get 2k/hr more by DD'ing and you don't, then you're leeching.

Comparing DD cor to DD brd is just... wow.

I take offense to this

[Amarok!]

Walahra, Cuirie, Dusk Gloves, Chausses, and Dusk Ledelsens easily outperforms full Denali for melee TP. (and there are a lot of modifications of those pieces that would still outdo 5x Denali)..

Well if you factor in 13m worth of Salvage gear then yeah of course, but Denali is free. Previous to using full Denali I was using:

Optical Hat
Pahluwan Khazagand
Denali Wristbands
Pahluwan Seraweels
Corsair's Bottes +1

and over that lot Denali is now giving me a difference of:

+DEF 24
+DEX 3
+AGI 12
+Attack 12
+Haste 4%
+Subtle Blow 3
+Looks cool
-Evasion 4
-STR 5
-Increased Crits

Both sets gave me +28 acc, and with 0 merits in Sword I needed it (all 20 merits used on other jobs, but I've now clawed back 4 upgrades from archery and put them on sword, gonna go to 6 total).

[Carrilei]

I said "and there are a lot of modifications of those pieces that would still outdo 5x Denali" for a reason; you don't need Skadi's Cuirie to outperform full Denali.. There's Enkidu's Harness, Antares.. Even Pahluwan, SH/+1, etc..

Why were you using Denali Wristbands and Corsair's Bottes +1 to TP in? Wristbands are a poor choice to TP in, and while the AF+1 Bottes do have 4 Acc, there are Dusk/+1 and Enkidu's Leggings out there for Haste..

[Amarok!]

Well I could have used Dusk gloves, but since I didn't have any other haste gear (since I needed accuracy more) the 300k always put me off for 3% haste only. Perhaps with 8/8 sword merits and either madrigal or hunters up I could switch to more haste gear, otherwise its a whiff fest without my acc gear (not eating sushi against collibri). Enkidu's is T3 ZNM so is out of my reach atm, although I have 4x T3 pop items sitting around waiting for a shout.

Full Denali does me really well on balance, and its one of the few jobs I don't have to look like a mismatch of horrible looking gear, and it didn't cost me anything to obtain it. I never want to wear any Pahluwan gear again, that set is in storage unless I get very desperate.

[Carrilei]

Since you were substituting Haste for Acc.. Which I don't agree with as a default, but if you were to, here's a conservative comparison.

Optical Hat, Pahluwan Khazagand, War Gloves +1... And we'll throw on your Denali Kecks and Corsair's Bottes +1.. That comes to 34.5 Acc.

Full Denali = 29.5 Acc. Granted you do get a few minor boosts from Denali - I'm not saying full Denali is an awful choice, it is valid.. But if you were to have stronger Acc gear, that 34.5 becomes 44 Acc with Cuirie, Enkidu's Mittens, Oily Trousers, and Commodore Bottes (46 with Commodore Bottes +1)..

[Greatguardian]

Full Denali is ugly. Debate over.

If you're having trouble landing Slugs, are you using a Martial Gun? If not, you may want to start saving TP up to about 200 before shooting. With Joyuese, Haste gear/spell and Brd buffs, It should only be an extra 20-30 seconds and it'll raise your WS acc by a ton.

Personally, I never use Hunter's in merits. Always sushi, 200TP slug (since I use Murderer/Earring), Corsair's/Chaos, especially when dealing with 2-handers. With AF2 hat, not having a Drk in the pt isn't as much as a death sentence to Chaos Roll as it could be. And with the acc bonus traits from /Rng, melee acc honestly isn't that bad even without sword merits. And (again) with Marchx2+Haste, Turban, Swift Belt, Dusk gloves, and Dusk feet I rarely even stop swinging. If you're absolutely desperate for acc, drop turban for O hat. Don't TP in Denali hands, head, or body. Feet are a decent piece if you can't afford dusk/enkidu's, and/or don't have Commodore bottes.

[Carrilei]

Oh jesus no, don't hold 'til 200 TP on a regular basis... That's what Martial Gun is for. The answer for if they don't have it is not "save to 200 TP," it's get the freaking gun.

[Tulun]

Yeah, even with Martial gun, Slug misses regularly. But I've been using a similar deto set for Slug; because if I have to make tons of sacrifices to my WS build I don';t think that Slug will pull out ahead...

[Greatguardian]

I like my Murderer/Sup Earring combo =x It looks cool and doesn't afraid of anything. So for me, and *until* he/she gets a Martial gun, saving to 200TP is ideal. Far better than a 45% WS acc =/, and miles better than having to gimp the whole party by using Hunter's Roll.

Cor Marksmanship cap is significantly lower than RNG's, and we lack their accuracy bonus out-the-wazoo traits (especially if /Nin or /War). Unless you're stacking Racc to Deto (which I don't think you're doing, since I could've sworn you mentioned STR set earlier), then you're going to want to use a different set for Slug. My slug set is almost entirely Racc, bar Amemet+1. Though, I guess I'm not entirely hardcore, only got 4 Marks merits cuz of the 20 cap ;x

[Tulun]

I use a full str set up for Deto and reach 95% acc.

Which is why I'd like to see some Slug set ups / food (etc).. I'm currently thinking my damage output won't be much better with Slug, as I'll have to sacrifice a huge amount of ratt, str and AGI (and use sushi) just to make it land often enough.

[sciezka.]

sad to see soo many people dual weilding joytoy/M. Kris... joytoy should never be dual weilded.... EVER!

[Auspice]

sad to see soo many people dual weilding joytoy/M. Kris... joytoy should never be dual weilded.... EVER!

QFT; there was just a discussion about this on BG a month or so ago and it showed you HALVE your TP gain by dual wielding anything with Joy.

[Greatguardian]

QFT; there was just a discussion about this on BG a month or so ago and it showed you HALVE your TP gain by dual wielding anything with Joy.

^

[heavensword]

Kris/Joy isn't so bad (it's very close to single wielding either), but either paired with anything else is a horrible idea.

When I /NIN and TP, I just use my kris by itself. Just because you CAN DW doesn't mean you have to. I'm doing points for Detonator now, and this is what I'm going to do.

[Marcicus]

I use a full str set up for Deto and reach 95% acc.

Which is why I'd like to see some Slug set ups / food (etc).. I'm currently thinking my damage output won't be much better with Slug, as I'll have to sacrifice a huge amount of ratt, str and AGI (and use sushi) just to make it land often enough.

Main: Joyeuse
Sub: --
Ranged: Martial Gun
Ammo: Steel Bullets
Head: Corsair's Tricorne
Neck: Light Gorget
R.Ear: Emerald Earring (RACC+2 Augment)
L.Ear: Triumph Earring
Body: Mirke Wardecors (RACC+10 QD-5 Augment)
Hands: Blood Finger Gauntlets
Ring1: Rajas Ring
Ring2: Flame Ring
Back: Amemet Mantle +1
Waist: Buccaneer's Belt
Legs: Dusk Trousers
Feet: Corsair's Bottes +1

Zerk/Chaos/Min4 averages 1300-1400, no merits in Marksmanship.

[Tulun]

Main: Joyeuse
Sub: --
Ranged: Martial Gun
Ammo: Steel Bullets
Head: Corsair's Tricorne
Neck: Light Gorget
R.Ear: Emerald Earring (RACC+2 Augment)
L.Ear: Triumph Earring
Body: Mirke Wardecors (RACC+10 QD-5 Augment)
Hands: Blood Finger Gauntlets
Ring1: Rajas Ring
Ring2: Flame Ring
Back: Amemet Mantle +1
Waist: Buccaneer's Belt
Legs: Dusk Trousers
Feet: Corsair's Bottes +1

Zerk/Chaos/Min4 averages 1300-1400, no merits in Marksmanship.

What's your hit rate?