Epic Jobs (My Solution to not have 80 cap)

[Shuemue]

This is advanced imo, any chance we could move it there and give it the serious discussion it deserves?

[Corruption]

I wouldn't petition any ideas to SE, I would only tell them the problems and let their creativity handle it.

I believe there is no problem so there is no need for a solution.

That is where you and I differ my friend. I am creative and thus I seek to create. You say there is no problem in the game yet everywhere you turn and look, even on these forums, there are constantly people complaining about shit they wish they would change... Hell the original job forum has a bunch of requests and how long have people been asking for Geomancer, Necromancer, and a new tank?

I'm basically using this thread as an initiative to show people, and with enough support/editing Square Enix, that Its not always a factor of how much the PS2 limits that should limit creativity for FFXI... That was just off the top of my head and I'm not even getting paid to do it.

I am a proponent of change and would rather get the wheel rolling and waiting on someone else to give me crap (in my honest opinion as cool as they are for subs Dancer and Scholar not only don't make sense for the expansion but are dumb jobs).

The idea was great in my opinion. However once I saw how ridiculously overpowered the abilities were. (like every other let's add neat shit to ffxi) You may have the recasts on some of those abilities right, however the duration totally blew it for me.

Yeah I don't blame you I made them highly broken which is why I chose the word "epic" over something like "hero" or "master" jobs or something to that nature...

Also I said in my original post and I stand by my first words, I invite anyone to help make them less broken or more realistic if anything just for fun and my personal enjoyment/appreciation

I like it how people liked it when wow was a 70 cap and now that it's higher than FFXI's cap we have to find a solution because FFXI is the inferior game.

The only reason WoW gets more people is because it is a REALLY easy UI that appeals to casual players over 90% is casual base which is why they have more because there are a lot more casual people in the world than hardcore people (mostly everyone in FFXI).

That paired with the fact that its marketted a hell of a lot better, more kiddyish graphics (again the easy UI) so that 8-14 year olds can easily pick up the game not to mention they have an alternative to credit cards to make it available to those kids. The casual community that XI is missing is most likely better for XI because those are the people that don't warn people when they leave parties, ninja lot, and will have gear and WS selections (not WS gear because they wouldn't do that it'd be too advance I mean using WS's like Decimation instead of Rampage because it makes a higher tier skill chain and its pretty that will make you face palm over and over.

I agree with your logic but I never said in any shape or form that WoW is a superior game to FFXI... In fact I can't stand that game especially since it feels more arcadey (do they ever stop swining their weapons in that game? lol).

So yeah I definitely don't think that this idea of mine was an "answer to WoW's level 80" but just something that I've been cooking up for a while especially after going back and re-playing the older Final Fantasies.

no you don't the 'epic jobs' in ragnarok are perhaps the worst idea ever and are the point when RO jumped the shark. you get to grind back to 99 ALL OVER AGAIN but this time, it takes even more exp to get to 99.

Oh so its the same job but again to 99? I don't really see the point unless you just like grinding and nothing else... I have to admit though I am a bit of a grinding fan and its one of the reasons I like games like Diablo and Phantasy Star Online! Well if you say it sucks I won't jump into the game now but I've always wanted to play a 2D anime-ish MMO even it was cellshaded lol.

Did I miss something here or...?

I knew it would be a matter of time before someone caught on to my mistype lol... I put novio/novia instead of Mars Ring / Futsuno Mitamathat I seen on my server (Ifrit)... You got me!

P.S I found the mistake after re-reading the thread but figured it would be more fun to wait for someone to call me out on it lol

[Corruption]

This is advanced imo, any chance we could move it there and give it the serious discussion it deserves?

Well I want to thank you for the compliment, I appreciate it... However from what I understand the advanced thread would be for actual advanced topics such as soloing and duoing gods (Avesta style) and stuff like that... I personally wouldn't move it to Advanced myself but if a moderator did deem it worthy of Advanced Thread I guess wouldn't complain!

Either way I'm a noobie to this thread and though I have many topics I could say in advanced with real in-game calculations and such I figured I would wait til I have a little bit of respect here lol

Actually, he responded just fine to actual criticism, it's the asshats who commented and insulted without reading that seemed to piss him off. Kinda like what you did.

...I...well, yea, I kinda agree with that. However I will say that sometime nostalgic archetypes and fanservice can be pretty damn fun.

Well again, it's mainly the fact that I like Warrior as Warrior and Thief as Thief. I wouldn't want to split a single concept into two different Job Branches or "upgrade" a job into an entirely new concept. I have a lot more fun building a new job from scratch then just upgrading existing ones because there's more leeway to work with and you can flesh out their concepts and stories a bit more. If anything I'd try to come up with a JA or Spell or something I think a job should have, but other then that I like making things that would fit along side the other classes in the game as it's a lot harder to create a balanced, unique and fun class concept.


When you're bored at work, what else is there to do?

Thanks Ziero for having my back there! I appreciate the {Cover} haha lol.

Well I definitely respect your opinion and again want to thank you for being civil enough to agree to disagree... I'm also glad that you have enough intellect to respond what I would have said but decided to just give up on (concerning the dude with the mayor character from Advanced Wars Days of Ruin).

Even though you say you hate the idea, would it bother you if they threw it in for only high level end game areas where the jobs are only active there? I mean if they did then you wouldn't have to worry about being an upgraded THF or WAR in any of the existing zones?

Well I guess my real question is, I already know you don't like the idea at all (even though its a name change like you said lol), but assuming they did go with it by some freak chance... What would make it more enjoyable for you?

[Ziero]

In the end, if it only affected certain areas of the game and could only be used in specific events, it would depend on the area and event itself as much as the change to the job. But again, to me, it wouldn't seem like an actual upgrade to the job but rather a real strong boost in certain areas and events. It's kind of hard to judge how well these upgrades would be recieved when we're missing half the info on what we'll use them for. And without knowledge of what types of events and areas we'll be using them in, there's really no way to judge whether they'll be fun or not other then fantasizing about thier sheer overpoweredness compared to the current game.

[Corruption]

In the end, if it only affected certain areas of the game and could only be used in specific events, it would depend on the area and event itself as much as the change to the job. But again, to me, it wouldn't seem like an actual upgrade to the job but rather a real strong boost in certain areas and events. It's kind of hard to judge how well these upgrades would be recieved when we're missing half the info on what we'll use them for. And without knowledge of what types of events and areas we'll be using them in, there's really no way to judge whether they'll be fun or not other then fantasizing about thier sheer overpoweredness compared to the current game.

Thats a good point, I guess the best thing I could do is come up with a list of areas and mobs found in it and then just assume the HNMs are the mob types but hyper beefed up (kinda like Absolute Virtue being a super version of the jailers in sea). I might do that later as an addendum.

P.S I'll probably keep the same theme of playing on nostalgia and getting names/areas from past Final Fantasies.

[wintersquall]

idk, i think overall it's a fairly cool idea if you don't look too far into the specifics and formulas... but what am i talking about, you're FFXI players.

a) you're going to continue to pay to play the same busted ass, poorly implemented game every month and camp the same shitty-ass mobs you've camped for years
b) you're going to continue to be elitist pricks every time someone comes up with an idea, and throw formulas (that a lot of you don't understand) at them

love ya bg! OP, fun read.

[isladar]

Hilarious. Keep this.. On-topic. At least. Otherwise it's spam or lock.

[Corruption]

idk, i think overall it's a fairly cool idea if you don't look too far into the specifics and formulas... but what am i talking about, you're FFXI players.

a) you're going to continue to pay to play the same busted ass, poorly implemented game every month and camp the same shitty-ass mobs you've camped for years
b) you're going to continue to be elitist pricks every time someone comes up with an idea, and throw formulas (that a lot of you don't understand) at them

love ya bg! OP, fun read.

Haha thanks, its true that FF has a high user base of elitists, that even piss me off and I have a high tolerance for online stupidity (since its online lol), but I mean I notice one major truth about SE...

When Square Enix does it, they eventually all love it and praise it. Like for example I know I was one of the major dissenters of SCH and DNC being the new jobs especially cause I still think 100% that there should have been a new main tank job. I don't care of PLD is the def/magic tank, or that NIN is the makeshift EVA/Enfeeble tank, the point is there should be a 3rd job that is specifically made to tank and maybe they could get a little creative. I mean personally I like the Viking job that I made lol

Hilarious. Keep this.. On-topic. At least. Otherwise it's spam or lock.

Not sure what this is pointing to but um... Thanks? lol

[Ziero]

Wintersquall was trolling and isladar is nipping it in the bud before it took off.

[Bregor]

This is advanced imo, any chance we could move it there and give it the serious discussion it deserves?

Well I want to thank you for the compliment, I appreciate it

Delicious.

[WraithLakshmi]

These ideas are just way too broken. With full merits and your idea, a warrior could have berserk up 100% of the time, and it would be 45% attack increase.

The solution to increasing your ability past 75 is merits.

[Corruption]

Wintersquall was trolling and isladar is nipping it in the bud before it took off.

Well if what you say is true they could both kindly eat a dick if they want to act like bitches about it lol. Thanks for the heads up as I usually avoid forums for reasons like that... All the "lol lets piss people off and talk shit cause we can" is kinda disappointing and makes me lose faith in humanity. Oh well thanks again Ziero for being cool unlike some.

Delicious.

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These ideas are just way too broken. With full merits and your idea, a warrior could have berserk up 100% of the time, and it would be 45% attack increase.

The solution to increasing your ability past 75 is merits.

Well yeah I don't want to be rude but I think I addressed the thing about it being broken like at the very least 5 times before. Since I haven't seen you post before I'll just say you can read what I said before.

If you get lazy I'll sum it up. Even being fully merited you would be inbetween level 76-77 and yes merits kick ass for lower level jobs (kinda makes it like a new game + in a way) but it wouldn't be getting closer to level 80... Now the only solution I could think of aside from upgrades to existing jobs would be to allow merit caps to be pushed even further. Maybe from 20 combat to 26 combat, and 8 HP/MP to 12 HP/MP, etc. etc.

Though I'd be lying if I said I didn't like my idea more lol

[Eurell]

You keep saying this is a solution to something, but I'm still not quite sure what the problem is. People already complain mobs are way to easy (short of AV and PW of course). So this would basically kill any kind of challenge people still find in this game.

Yes, SE could add a new expansion with even harder mobs, but why outdate their old content? Its been how many years now, and people still shout for sky LSs every day? The idea of outdating older content just seems so against the way this game has always been.

This game isn't perfect, we all know there are many many problems with it. But I don't think just making everyone overpowered (even small buffs would make a lot of jobs overpowered, never mind your admittedly broken ideas) will fix anything.

[isladar]

This thread is fucking awful. You are not smart.