Israeli Air Strike

[Meat]

What would your ideal endgame be for the occupied territories?

A three state solution

[Elvis]

Oh man that was so deep, i had to stop and catch my breath.

Fact is the people known as "Palestinians" are nothing more than Jordanian and Egyptian citizens abandoned by their government. Everyone's willing to use them for political gain but no one wants to lift a finger to help them.

You're so dense it's embarrassing.

- What qualifies a 'people'? One could just so easily make superficial and ignorant statements questioning the notion of a 'Jewish people'.

- Why are arab nations so hesitant to take a more direct stand with the Palestinians?

These are important questions to consider if one is serious about solving the conflict.

[Kuya]

Everyone's willing to use them for political gain but no one wants to lift a finger to help them.

There two ways to help them. By sending humanitarian groups in to help them, because Israel clearly won't even though it controls both its seas and skies, but we already know Israel won't even allow that, and the second option would be to attack what is strangling them, which would be Israel, but we already know what happens with that. So basically, Israel is the one who's getting in the way, so scoffing and saying that they won't help them is funny, when Israel is the one that makes it quite difficult.

[Meat]

I suppose that assertion would be convenient for the Israeli government. It would allow them to finally do what they obviously want to do, and that is, get rid of all those Palestinians and claim the land as theirs, because then you can say that they're not "Palestinians", they're just invaders from different countries that don't want to go back home!

Assertion? it's fact Israel has never liberated\stolen\whenever you want to call it from Palestine. In 67 we were attacked by Jordan and Egypt, we took the land from Jordan and Egypt. Am i making that up?

[Elvis]

The Arab world is dominated by corrupt family dictatorships and puppet/client states.

They will tow the establishment lines as usual: Israel's right to exist, terror is bad, Israel has a right to defend itself, blah blah blah.

There is no reciprocity. No historical retrospection; i.e., looking at similar conflicts throughout history to gain some wisdom however in the hope that said conflict(s) would be demystified after the passage of time and (hopefully) a resolution.

[Meat]

Your so dense it's embarrassing.

- What qualifies a 'people'? One could just so easily make superficial and ignorant statements questioning the notion of a 'Jewish people'.

- Why are arab nations so hesitant to take a more direct stand with the Palestinians?

These are important questions to consider if one is serious about solving the conflict.

in 67 did the Palestinians attack? or did Jordan Egypt and Syria?

[Kuya]

we took the land from Jordan and Egypt

Yea, i remember that.

[Meat]

Yea, i remember that.

good now, try to keep up

Jordan + Egypt= Palestine?

[Elvis]

Assertion? it's fact Israel has never liberated\stolen\whenever you want to call it from Palestine. In 67 we were attacked by Jordan and Egypt, we took the land from Jordan and Egypt. Am i making that up?

It is illegal under international law to acquire territory by war. It is illegal to transfer a population to occupied land (colonization).

One of the conditions Israel was admitted into the UN as a nation-member, was that it honor the right of return. It hasn't - while at the same time setting aside racially-exclusive (Jews only) laws and programs like the National Jewish Fund.

There are all sorts of violations by Israel of international law and world court rulings - all fully documented by the UN. Not to mention the countless human rights abuses.

Now, as to the 67' war. I recall going to a lecture in college about the conflict and it was brought up. I do remember hearing another point of view but I can't regurgitate it on the spot.

[Kuya]

good now, try to keep up

Jordan + Egypt= Palestine?

Jews from all the corners of Europe + Jews from the Middle East = Israel? I don't see your point. Though i admit, it is convenient to decide for them what their national identity is so you can then claim that they don't belong there.

[archibaldcrane]

A three state solution

Isn't...that what Israel had until it took the territories following the war?

[guartz]

This pretty much ends the argument.

YouTube - Doctor Decries Israeli Attacks

[0ni0n]

Israel Strike Outside U.N. School Kills 30 People - WSJ.com

The Wall Street Journal is reporting that Israel air strike killed 30 outside of a UN school. It's a good example of Israel exercising prudence and judgment when choosing targets in its retaliatory attacks.

[Beckwin]

This pretty much ends the argument.

YouTube - Doctor Decries Israeli Attacks

Man, I'm really upset now. shit like this happening and people rationalize it by blaming the deaths on Hamas, as if that somehow makes the deaths any less tragic. abstract it to arabs killing arabs and all the sudden things are peachy? fuck that, this is completely awful and ridiculous blame game aside, in reality the only way to stop it is for Israel to stop the current attacks.

[kuronosan]

I think the only way that will happen is if the US steps in and slaps Israel's hand. After all, we created this monster.

[Xno Kappa]

I seriously believe Israel secretly holds something of some ridiculous significance to the security of the planet as we know it. The U.S. knows this, which is why their hesitant on any actions against them. At this point, this is the only logical explanation to me.

[Quixon]

seriously believe Israel secretly holds something of some ridiculous significance to the security of the planet as we know it.

Duh! They're friends with Jesus.

[Senoska]

Duh! They're friends with Jesus.

I honestly believe thats the only reason the US is such butt buddies with Israel.... the shit in revelation or w/e

[0ni0n]

Duh! They're friends with Jesus.

I honestly believe thats the only reason the US is such butt buddies with Israel.... the shit in revelation or w/e

wait, the ones who thought, and still think Jesus was a heretic and sold him out to the Romans?

[Brill Weave]

Gotta love the Israeli response. The explosion was caused by the ammo stores within the school. And they claimed that they were firing rockets from the school.

I am by far and away, not backing up the Israeli response but I look at it in a bit of a different light. If Mexico was standing on the border firing rockets into Phoenix, wouldn't we have completely obliterated Mexico by now despite the world clamoring for us to stop?