PLD/RDM: Why?

[kisada]

i wouldn't say aegis is make or break for that circumstance, though it'd of course be wonderful to have.

the last fight we did, the pld who was rdm sub didn't have aegis and did just fine. the only times he died were cause of accidental lightning moves.

[Max™]

lol

"cause of accidental lightning" made me chuckle.

[Tsuko_Asura]

I found the perfect way to phrase it a while back.

Paladin is a hate bucket, but it leaks a bit.
/War is like tossing water balloons into a leaky bucket, big splash... then it's gone.
/Nin is like plugging the leaks and filling it up with a faucet, takes a sec to get going but then trying to pull hate is like trying to move around a big heavy bucket of water.
/Rdm is like filling the bucket with a fucking water hose, but it still leaks... Aegis plugs those leaks though.

Haha, very nice.

Err, also.. Not particularly related to the thread, but I'll be finishing Excalibur(hopefully) within the next few months, which means I'll likely be giving Paladin a try. One thing I've always been unclear for, in regard to blood-tanking anyway, is gauging shield skill versus physical damage reduction. Obviously when you're trying to get a spell off, using all means possible to block an attack is better than trying to simply reduce the damage, but when you're simply trying to take the least damage possible, how does one determine if you're better off with shield or flat out reduction? Examples I can think of off the top of my head.. Valhalla/Darksteel Cap +1 versus Kaiser, Askar versus Gallant +1.

Thanks.

[Furionstormrage]

I've actually been very curious how reliable PLD/RDM would be without an Aegis (on things other than JOL/Ouryu), and this thread has been very helpful so far, thank you.

The only thing I've done on it beyond solo and JOL is holding waves of mobs in Einherjar, which is really easy so far.

[Max™]

Any time I'm able to face to face with something, I'd go for shield skill if you're in an oh shit mode.

-phys after Enm for kiting/unavoidable damages which aren't blockable (wyrm landings and shit that you know is coming)...

I can't think of a situation where I'd put on Askar feet over Gallant NQ's for something I was face tanking.

[Hex]

Wrath of Zeus

(wrat/wrath zeus/zeus)

http://img300.imageshack.us/img300/9...4144lg4.th.jpg

Wrath/Wrath or Spear/Spear , perhaps?

He seemed to like to Asheron Curbstomp/Asheron Curbstomp last night.


he doesn't seem to go "BEEP BEEP" back to back. Coincidence?

The hell are you fighting Ixion at there? That looks like it's just asking for Random Death every Spear.

Ixion when in his lil aura mode will double up TP moves usually, not always. Spear. WoZ are doubled up but can be A combination of the 2. If he uses one and runs at a tank he won't double it up. If he uses one and just stands there he's gonna use another one and you have plenty of time to avoid the 2nd.

Ixion also seems to get a random boost when campaign is going on. I think that causes him to "rage" because he doesn't want to be there.

[Tsuko_Asura]

In regard to your enmity before -physical policy, would you apply that if blinking is something one needn't worry about? IIRC, enmity modifications have no effect on your enmity loss when taking damage.

Also, would this sort of thing change if one were to have Aegis?

[Max™]

I mean Enm for kiting, it's a major fuckup I see all the time, take the shield skill off, put haste and Enm and HP where you can so you can keep the thing chasing you.

Did an old school kited Kirin the other day, it's very clear which Pld was kiting at the time by checking the DD's/Mages for weakened, because one of the Pld's whores Enm stuff when they kite.

Maca +1/Koenig > goddamn Terra's staff, you're not standing there being hit, you're making the bastard chase ya. :D

[CoronA1979]

Honestly... I don't even run from Wrath anymore -.- When I see it charge it's horn I just move to the side so I don't get hit by spear (Don't want no fucking Amnesia). Properly geard Wrath isn't going to do that much... 3-400? Cure IV, bam.

And yeah, it does suck when he runs across your face and takes MP but, that's what Gjallahorns are for!

[Pivotal]

its so simple to avoid WoZ and spear... i mean hell i get hit with spear more then WoZ cuz he will turn for some dumbass reason and spear w/ out me noticing ><!

[phrost]

I don't get hit with WoZ or spear, he was bowling for mages in that picture. notice the Zoom Zoom dust cloud up on his hooves, bro.

[Furionstormrage]

I mean Enm for kiting, it's a major fuckup I see all the time, take the shield skill off, put haste and Enm and HP where you can so you can keep the thing chasing you.

Did an old school kited Kirin the other day, it's very clear which Pld was kiting at the time by checking the DD's/Mages for weakened, because one of the Pld's whores Enm stuff when they kite.

Maca +1/Koenig > goddamn Terra's staff, you're not standing there being hit, you're making the bastard chase ya. :D

I can't think of a single reason to use Terra's Staff on PLD.

[Kurt Cobain]

terror, petrify or stun, sleep even (to a much lesser extent); if you don't care about TP loss or blinking. maybe I'm just hanging on to the days of old when we tanked Tiamat with koenig clad pld/wars wielding terras staffs, with an aerial armor rotation, but my terra's staff still never leaves my inventory on any job

[wyred]

I can't think of a single reason to use Terra's Staff on PLD.

When you accidentally aggro stuff and zone is far away.

[richardd]

terror, petrify or stun, sleep even (to a much lesser extent); if you don't care about TP loss or blinking. maybe I'm just hanging on to the days of old when we tanked Tiamat with koenig clad pld/wars wielding terras staffs, with an aerial armor rotation, but my terra's staff still never leaves my inventory on any job

question to any pld really:

i know this is a noob question, but this is just coming from a nin point of view (lol@ nin tanks all you want, i still bring it 100%) but do you see it worth losing your TP for that extra dmg reduction on those moves you know 100% you cant shield block? I would think it is from a nin's mentality but than again we dont have things like attonement. so i was just curious

[Kurt Cobain]

on a hard hitter like tiamat? absolutely, I haven't delved into it on other things like khim though. I normally just equip jelly/defending ring and shadow mantle for post dreadstorm but the terror doesn't really last long enough to warrant it, the stun from thunderstrike on the other hand, wtf @ the duration on that <_<

[richardd]

ahh good point lol. i would use it for Khim too since he has a TP reset move anyways, but if the terror is short, that would make sense using your shield ohshit macro.

[Tsuko_Asura]

Gtfo Ninja, and where's my sig? >:

[Pivotal]

Richardd! word hes pimp sauce he knows his shit ... still to this day only nin i would let tank (as i think i stated before) over a pld and im not even on garuda =o anyways as for terra staff only thing i would really see it as needed on would be.... nothing? not on pld... in fights where you have no consistent tp gain khim is a good example but even then .. the help it gives isnt even worth swapping it in for =/ least imo

[Ansems]

imo imo imo