Pld/Blu?

[yrpaine]

I just got curious, since several people mentioned /rdm for dynamis or einherjar for crowd control in the pld/rdm thread. Has there been much testing as pld/blu? figuring that sheep song/sophoric/soundblast you can get hate on multiple targets, cocoon double's defense, and healing breath can spike some hate. I know the spells aren't as fast to cast, but assuming blm and brd are sleeping first that shouldn't be an issue, and each of those aoe's listed pulls more hate(each 320) than a sleepga2(180) according to the charts.

I don't personally have blu sub leveled yet to test, I was just wondering if anyone has tried it, and if /blu was worth it for a dynamis/einherjar scenario.

[Corruption]

I just got curious, since several people mentioned /rdm for dynamis or einherjar for crowd control in the pld/rdm thread. Has there been much testing as pld/blu? figuring that sheep song/sophoric/soundblast you can get hate on multiple targets, cocoon double's defense, and healing breath can spike some hate. I know the spells aren't as fast to cast, but assuming blm and brd are sleeping first that shouldn't be an issue, and each of those aoe's listed pulls more hate(each 320) than a sleepga2(180) according to the charts.

I don't personally have blu sub leveled yet to test, I was just wondering if anyone has tried it, and if /blu was worth it for a dynamis/einherjar scenario.

Well I'm definitely not the authority on Paladin and I'm only a 37 BLU (working on it atm) so all I have tested (and not in pts but just messing around) is THF/BLU at 75.

From what I understand and see myself is that physical blue magic is dependent on your main weapons physical accuracy. Which is probably the reason I get pretty cool looking SA + Claw Cyclones, Screwdrivers, and Bludgeons. But when it comes to stuff that is magical (which someone I believe tested is based on blu magic skill and INT) so the stuff like sopphorific (sp?), sheep song, and pinecomb bomb doesn't usually stick unless I fight easy prey or too weak (because I'm capped at level 37 blue magic skill) but on Even Match/Tough wolffies in Jugner (S) I can't land sleep for the life of me. Also my Head Butt stun seems to be pretty iffy even when I SA it.

Now my hypothesis on pld/blu is that with all the defense bonus traits and god defense that Paladin has naturally that adding cocoon to that would be retarded high and good for tanking high dmg shit. I mean my train of thought is if you bring all the melee on /thf, or bring good thfs to TA all the weapon skills on the mob (assuming its not something that requires max damage like HNMs and such) that a PLD/BLU should be able to hold max hate and take the minimal damage to keep mages MP nice and up.

Then again the PLD part is all theory to me cause I've never seen a PLD with enough balls to try it on something major... Cookie Cutter combinations for the win! Well this game has always been like that in my opinion, even if they find out something new/better its still about nin sub @ everything please /sigh lol. Well like some people say "Get proof or die" is probably something you will get a lot on forums so expect it, cause I do

[Antithesis]

The only situation I know that PLD/BLU is of amazing utility is Super tanking the Ark Angels during Divine Might. Other than that, I do not know.

[Karbuncle]

Well i've had Fun with PLD/BLU Before, Its definitly Unique, i dont think it will be used for any main stream tanking, but For Dynamis and Einherjar it would be viable since Mobs have a tendancy to die in a few seconds (for Dynamis anyway)

When i tested PLD/BLU it was on mobs in MMM (DC~T) and it worked pretty well, You have a good list of Hate tools depending on how much Magic you learned while leveling... including some Damaging AoE's that may help in some situations as well (Like the Gigas one).

It wasn't zomg worthy but with a party of 6 on DC~T Mobs that die rather quickly it was really fun and a nice option to have some fun with, though i haven't tested it in Dynamis, the outlook seems good.

[rog]

it'd work especially well for things with high attack, but low str/weapon damage. other than that, the benefits are limited, because on mobs with lower atk, you'll floor your cratio, and for things with high atk it's limited because of the 999 cap (if it doesn't actually cap then ignore that <.<).

it's also not nearly as good if you don't have a good phalanx2. with capped phalanx2, you might be able to get damage down to single digits on a shield block on some weaker (h)nms, but i'm not too sure.


i can't imagine it being worth it in dyna/einherjahr, because the mobs die too quick. also you can just cure the sleepers, and then cure yourself (or spam barspells with /rdm <.<) for hate anyway.

[Corruption]

Well i've had Fun with PLD/BLU Before, Its definitly Unique, i dont think it will be used for any main stream tanking, but For Dynamis and Einherjar it would be viable since Mobs have a tendancy to die in a few seconds (for Dynamis anyway)

When i tested PLD/BLU it was on mobs in MMM (DC~T) and it worked pretty well, You have a good list of Hate tools depending on how much Magic you learned while leveling... including some Damaging AoE's that may help in some situations as well (Like the Gigas one).

It wasn't zomg worthy but with a party of 6 on DC~T Mobs that die rather quickly it was really fun and a nice option to have some fun with, though i haven't tested it in Dynamis, the outlook seems good.

Damn cool thanks for sharing that, since I don't have PLD @ 75 I was wondering if anyone would try it. I take back that comment about PLD's being to scared to try it now lol

[yrpaine]

I guess my question is more of, can a pld/blu using sheepsong/sophoric/soundblast followed by other ja/spells on self be able to keep hate off of blm's casting sleepga2 on larger quantities of mobs. to the point where if they wake up they'd run at the pld and not the blm's, and make it viable. I know some larger pulls in city zones can reach 15+ mobs, same with ein if you have bad luck.

[Karbuncle]

I guess my question is more of, can a pld/blu using sheepsong/sophoric/soundblast followed by other ja/spells on self be able to keep hate off of blm's casting sleepga2 on larger quantities of mobs. to the point where if they wake up they'd run at the pld and not the blm's, and make it viable. I know some larger pulls in city zones can reach 15+ mobs, same with ein if you have bad luck.

Yah, As you alread know it just depends on how much damage you take after they wake up, Using lets say all three of those spells should grant you enough Hate to actually have hate when the mobs wake up, When they wake up and start hitting you it's going to degrade quickly but having an AoE ability that doesnt do any damage but still nets a good amount of Enmity is great for any situation where you have to do some Crowd Control.

It would work in Theory, and in my own small Test of 6 MMM Runs it Did Work well, Only time i'd lose hate is with someone opening the fight with a dumb 1k Weaponskill before i could lock hate, but after a few spells its easy to get it back.

Although, The spells become a bit .... Costly on your MP, But other then that it should work if you can conserve and replenish your MP pool efficiently

Of the AoEs you'll have
Blastbomb - Deals Damage - 36MP
Sheepsong - No Damage - 22MP
Soap-o-Rific - No Damage - 38MP
Grand Slam - Deals Damage - 24MP
Sound blast - No Damage - 25MP
Cursed Sphere - Deals Damage - 36MP
Bomb Toss - Deals Damage - 42MP
Battledance - Deals Damage - 12MP
SandSpin - Deals Damage - 10MP

Also:
Healing Breeze (Decent Enmity) - 55MP

So, Those are all the AoE's, including healing and ones that do Damage, and they're a bit MP Costly some of them, But nothing you shouldnt be able to handle.

Your looking at 22,38, and 25MP for the spells you've listed, which are much more managable. You'd get sufficient hate, probably on all mobs in your AoE range, But it could get you killed, And that would be bad, just got to hope you got good healers and Sleepers.

[Alistaire]

We had a PLD try it for Xarcabard and Windurst, it's great hate but hard to manage, the aoe range on the blu spells isn't that large. I was on RDM for the Xarc run, it seemed in some cases it was too much hate, if there were enough mobs he had hate on he'd get pummeled when nobody could get them off him.

In the Windurst run he managed to stay alive fine but decided he wasn't going to continue using it.

[Valena]

Don't Blu spells have a smaller effect radius, compared to Blm ga, especially sleepga ?

That doesn't answer your question sorry, but I think it might weight as a con, if you can't be sure to target all the slept mob with one aoe.

Edit : answered above me

[isladar]

Did you all fucking forget what section of the forums you're in?


Removed useless posts.

[yrpaine]

ya thanks, thats the type of info i'm looking for, do we know the radius of the 3 spells i mentioned? assuming since there's 3 at least they can swap targets, and it's better than just hitting 1 if the objective is to pull off of blm's.

Sheep song is 22mp
Sound blast is 25mp
sophoric is 38mp

so at least 2 of them are about the same as flash mp wise, and could probably hit enough mobs with just those 2, and from sounds of above post, maybe not hitting all of them would be a good thing, but would be faster than going 1 at a time.

[Alistaire]

To Corruption and Karbuncle: He wasn't spamming physical spells at all and that would defeat the purpose. The idea is to gain hate on multiple slept targets. You're limited to Soporific, Sheep Song, Sound Blast, and Healing Breeze for hate, Cocoon for protection, and the auto-regen from Sheep Song + Healing Breeze.

To Valena: Shorter range, and centered on the caster even though you're casting on a target.

[Karbuncle]

To Corruption and Karbuncle: He wasn't spamming physical spells at all and that would defeat the purpose. The idea is to gain hate on multiple slept targets. You're limited to Soporific, Sheep Song, Sound Blast, and Healing Breeze for hate, Cocoon for protection, and the auto-regen from Sheep Song + Healing Breeze.

To Valena: Shorter range, and centered on the caster even though you're casting on a target.

I've already long updated my Post but i appreciate the catch =x i was just listing AoE's regardless of Damage, I know i know he didnt want that, but i was just dragging with me what i could. Sorry

Also YRP, I Don't know the exact AoE range but i think its about the size of Earth Crusher, i'll test it when i get home if someone hasnt already told you.

[yrpaine]

And ya, i know too many mobs on a pld can be a bad thing too. but that' what extra pld's are for in dynamis. better a spare pld goes down than a blm who's trying to sleep them. usually by the time the mobs wake up a 2nd time they're much more manageable. I also think this would be good for players who use keyboard and have a harder time targeting 1 specific mob. I've also seen some pld's just stand voking 1 slept mob while others are awake hitting blm's, i know that's more of a player/skill issue, but if i could get them to /blu they might become more useful if it's viable.

[willriker]

I used PLD/BLU on awesomelands PW attempt. I was originaly on lamp patrol, pop of a fast aoe on the lamps then bring them to BLMs for aga kill. But, at one point the main tanks went down, i think to mijin 2hour but dont remember and doesnt matter, but i stepped in on PLD/BLU to tank toau king and toau HNM. It went suprisingly well.

I wouldnt say that i would go to cerb or khim as pld/blu on purpose as id much prefer ninja sub for that. But, it was duable on pld/blu.

[Draylo]

Wow seriously? This isn't the way to get 10 posts.