Blue Mage Tanking

[Tsuko_Asura]

Yes, but Tiamat is obviously flying.

[Nicholette]

Sub Nin of course, Shadows are down because you don't use them in the air. It's Tiamat the only other sub I could imagine is /war on an aegis pld with leet+ gear and excellent support since I've seen it.

[eva00r]

Stuff I did SOLO tank with BLU/NIN, DUO tank will be FAR easier to do

Omega - Pull initial hate with Convergence Heat Breath and Spirit Within and this mob will stick with you forever.
Ultima - You will need to time Saline Coat right just before Citadel Buster land and you can laugh at its 300 damage.
Byakko - Beast Killer trait helps a bit, also with Beast Slayer if you want to melee. Eat Tav taco and keep cocoon up, you'll be a tough nut to crack. When your shadows is down, you will need to land Temporal Shift immediately and swap to -physical gear.
Seiryu - Just handle 100Fists, Paralyna and that's all.
Susaku - Fire resist gear can stright tank this till the end.
Genbu - Poke him and he'll die.
Most of tankable ZNM stuff
Nyzul stuff

[Sho]

Pretty awesome guys, I'ma have to set up a tanking set up for myself after the update.

[Raytheon]

I find it odd that SCH was mentioned about applying stoneskin, but not phalanx? I don't keep up with the SCH forums, but I do remember reading the RDM forums and them being pissed about SCH being able to Accesion phalanx 1, being stronger than phalanx II, which essentially gave them a better version of our own spell. Even fully merited Phalanx II isn't as strong as phalanx 1, and it's not even AOE. That's what I remember from the RDM forums.

So I ask, was this patched to reduce the dmg reduction when applied by SCH, and if not, wouldn't you rather have it while tanking on BLU than Stoneskin? I think I would. Or both even but I digress.

[Damane]

I find it odd that SCH was mentioned about applying stoneskin, but not phalanx? I don't keep up with the SCH forums, but I do remember reading the RDM forums and them being pissed about SCH being able to Accesion phalanx 1, being stronger than phalanx II, which essentially gave them a better version of our own spell. Even fully merited Phalanx II isn't as strong as phalanx 1, and it's not even AOE. That's what I remember from the RDM forums.

So I ask, was this patched to reduce the dmg reduction when applied by SCH, and if not, wouldn't you rather have it while tanking on BLU than Stoneskin? I think I would. Or both even but I digress.

fully merited phalanx II with actually good enhancing + gear is stronger then phalanx I

[LD]

The reason they were pissed at the time was because G2s were still at the 3 upgrade max, so P2s were actually worse than a decent P1.
However, the upgrade was almost exactly a year ago. -_- Also, you didn't digress.

Incidentally, nice necro bump.
^
That's digressing.

[Raytheon]

Ahh, thanks Damane, was unaware they 'fixed' phalanx II. Would be nice of RDM got some kind of AOE JA. Or maybe even an Enfeeble Seal to increase landing bind, paralyze, etc.


LD, didn't know this was an old thread lol, no I didn't bother looking at when stuff was posted, my bad >< I had to Google "Blue Mage Tank" because most of Alla's threads regarding BLU were about the same "How I get Koggel?" or "Howcome no one invites me on BLU" threads.

lol @ your digressing. But I fear we may have started a digression-loop.


However, I digress.....

[Zelduh]

Wrong. At 320 enhancing skill, Phalanx absorbs 30, Phalanx II at level 5 absorbs 28. 320 is the max enhancing skill obtainable (for RDM)
With 300 enhancing skill, they're tied at 28/28 at level 5. Phalanx II is only stronger once your enhancing skill is gimp (below 290 at 5/5)

[Yugl]

Wrong. At 320 enhancing skill, Phalanx absorbs 30, Phalanx II at level 5 absorbs 28. 320 is the max enhancing skill obtainable (for RDM)
With 300 enhancing skill, they're tied at 28/28 at level 5. Phalanx II is only stronger once your enhancing skill is gimp (below 290 at 5/5)

True, but I don't know of any SCHs that merit Enhancing Magic aside from the Allatrain groups.

[Zelduh]

It's still possible for SCH to get the same strength without a single enhancing merit. 256 base, Argute Gown (+7) Scholar's Pants (+15), Enhancing Torque (+7) Merciful Cape (+5) = 290 which makes Phalanx absorb 27, the same as Phalanx II at 5/5 with 290 skill.

[Yugl]

It's still possible for SCH to get the same strength without a single enhancing merit. 256 base, Argute Gown (+7) Scholar's Pants (+15), Enhancing Torque (+7) Merciful Cape (+5) = 290 which makes Phalanx absorb 27, the same as Phalanx II at 5/5 with 290 skill.

Well ya if the RDM decides to gimp on the enhancing gear. If I'm reading wiki right, RDM can achieve 304 Skill without merits. If we put SCH and RDM side by side for merits, with the best enhancing gear available, RDM can outdo SCH's phalanx (By a single point of course).

[mcb]

Please read before posting.

your looking at what 10def? go buy a phalanx ring save the points and the sj

[Zelduh]

I'd love to meet a RDM with a Glamor Jupon, Enhancing Torque, Augmenting Earring, Merciful Cape, Warlock's Tights, and Duelist's Gloves. And then of those, I'd like to meet the ones that actually have 5/5 Phalanx II.

[Yugl]

Then you'll enjoy paying $25 to come to Diabolos to meet them.

[Araius]

I'd love to meet a RDM with a Glamor Jupon, Enhancing Torque, Augmenting Earring, Merciful Cape, Warlock's Tights, and Duelist's Gloves. And then of those, I'd like to meet the ones that actually have 5/5 Phalanx II.

I predict flood of screenshots incoming. None of these things are difficult to get.

[Zelduh]

I never said it's difficult, as I have them myself. But on Alexander at least I've literally seen 0 RDMs with enhancing gear. Even if they have the gear, I haven't seen them use it. I'm pretty sure no one on that server bothers with enhancing skill AT ALL. Then, if by some miracle they have all that gear and actually know how to use it, once again I have yet to see a RDM ever cast Phalanx II (meaning they don't have it meritted) and another obstacle is to find one that actually bothered to take it to 5/5 seeing as most RDMs do Slow and whatnot. I didn't say it was hard, but it doesn't exist 99% of the time. This is assuming they have enhancing capped, which a lot of retarded RDMs also don't have capped.
Scholar, on the other hand. They only need to level enhancing to 200, then it gets bumped automatically to B+ with Light Arts. From the start they have a stronger phalanx than RDM. I'd rather rely on a SCH for it (not to mention it's AoE), than hope *maybe* the RDM has all the enhancing gear and *maybe* they have it fully meritted. With SCH there's no questioning. If you already have a RDM with all of the above (and that's a rare thing, doesn't even exist on my server) then lucky you.

And for what it's worth, Phalanx + Accession = 42 MP for all 6 people
Phalanx II x 6 = 252 MP

[Yugl]

I guess, but when do six people need Phalanx (Where it will make a difference). Don't forget using accession means we waste a JA that could otherwise be used towards different spells. Depending on what that spell is, it could be more important than Phalanx.

[Araius]

I guess, but when do six people need Phalanx (Where it will make a difference). Don't forget using accession means we waste a JA that could otherwise be used towards different spells. Depending on what that spell is, it could be more important than Phalanx.

Same argument could be made for why the RDM's who merit 5/5 Phalanx though...those could arguably be better spent somewhere else. I agree that SCH is probably the preferred method of Phalanx, have ever since it was made available and Strategems were buffed. But frankly, I don't see a whole lot of SCH's around that do it. Probably about as many as I see RDM's with Phalanx II and Enhancing Gear.

[Zelduh]

If you're a Scholar and in a healing role for whatever you're doing, there's absolutely no excuse to not use Accession + Phalanx. You have 4 strategems. They refresh every minute. What exactly are you doing with your other strategems? There's always enough for phalanx, even if you're spamming stoneskinga and blinkga and even freakin' enspellga and aquaveilga and -naga. Phalanx is always helpful. Have a mob with undispellable spikes? Phalanx will reduce them to 0 for everyone meleeing (before even touching stoneskin). Have mobs that spam any kind of AoE? Each AoE will do that much less. Anyone but the tank gets hate? They'll be taking less damage, too. But that wasn't my point. Phalanx is still better than Phalanx II 99% of the time.