Sheep in Antlion clothing (again)

[cdgreg]

I remember back in the day when people beat this without using any programs at all...

Though I have been gone awhile, not trying to debate with anyone, so I was wondering where the line gets drawn these days when it comes to cheating?

I'm sure it can still be beat using 6 players and no programs, nothing changed there. What has changed is people "low manning" things, or dual boxing with mules in an effort to make more gil. If you dual box a hagun with a mule and sell it there's 3mil for you, if you do it with 6 people that's only 500k for you.

Fillmode is a built in windower feature, so I guess I didn't mind giving that a shot. Personally, I draw the line at apradar. I've never tried it, but I do know it could help me out dramatically in some NM camps, or ENMs such as this one, but I'm just uninformed when it comes to what apradar does, and I'm not going to mess around with it to find out and end up banned.

So in summary, the line for me is anything outside built in, or well established, windower plugins such as drawdistance, spellcast, autoexec, timestamp, tparty, and recast.

[TacoTaru]

There's no map to boneyard gully so you won't ever see a map for it using apradar. Ive updated with every map pack and never gotten a map so I'm fairly positive there isn't one. Even if there was there's reslly no reason to use it as you can subvert the pile on of names by just opening four instances of apradar, each one with it's own antlion to watch for. That's the easiest way I've found to track all four if you don't know where the babies normally spawn.

[Syntex]

We 4 man it with a RDM MNK DRG/WHM and a SAM, however our last attempt we ran out of time because the last spawn took forever to find...

I have 2 friends who duo it but I don't know what they use jobwise to do that.

[Tsuko_Asura]

I'm sure it can still be beat using 6 players and no programs, nothing changed there. What has changed is people "low manning" things, or dual boxing with mules in an effort to make more gil. If you dual box a hagun with a mule and sell it there's 3mil for you, if you do it with 6 people that's only 500k for you.

Fillmode is a built in windower feature, so I guess I didn't mind giving that a shot. Personally, I draw the line at apradar. I've never tried it, but I do know it could help me out dramatically in some NM camps, or ENMs such as this one, but I'm just uninformed when it comes to what apradar does, and I'm not going to mess around with it to find out and end up banned.

So in summary, the line for me is anything outside built in, or well established, windower plugins such as drawdistance, spellcast, autoexec, timestamp, tparty, and recast.

Not that it really bothers me either way(who are we kidding, such a small portion of the playerbase goes to this ENM with less than six, let alone has the know-how to use APradar), but I don't even remotely understand your logic. Because its built into a commonly accepted third-party program, its less 'cheating' than a less used program? Its doing the same thing, friend.

[cdgreg]

Not that it really bothers me either way(who are we kidding, such a small portion of the playerbase goes to this ENM with less than six, let alone has the know-how to use APradar), but I don't even remotely understand your logic. Because its built into a commonly accepted third-party program, its less 'cheating' than a less used program? Its doing the same thing, friend.

Agree to disagree. No point in turning this into another windower is just as bad as flee/pos hacking and breaks TOS topic.

[Drex]

There is no map, but ApRadar still shows where the NMs are with Sean's Map Pack. Just did it yesterday, map is filled in black but has the red dots and names where the NMs are hiding (not just clustered in the middle like some people are saying)

[Mugekuge]

Enm can be hard to duo if you get 3 adds, but is still doable, i do it with rdm/nin and blm/rdm (sometimes i am lazy and go /whm for self tele), rdm pops recast ni, tier3 nukes, blm am2, do another nuke, go to ground, rinse and repeat.


This post has the map with the spots:

http://www.bluegartr.com/forum/ffxi-...-clothing.html


Sometimes you need to walk around a bit to pop them.

[Elites]

If you dont want to risk using apradar, it's really easy to just swap the two ant .dats to something big like a dragon (tia,faf..etc) and then you'd pretty much see them all. To figure out which is the NM, its usually the bigger one and its pretty obvious to spot.

[cdgreg]

If you dont want to risk using apradar, it's really easy to just swap the two ant .dats to something big like a dragon (tia,faf..etc) and then you'd pretty much see them all. To figure out which is the NM, its usually the bigger one and its pretty obvious to spot.

I don't know much about dat swapping other than how to change a name. Incoming stupid question: Is it similar to that, if so why not make the babies sand worms and the nm a dragon? Also, is there a guide anywhere on .dat swapping? Thanks in advance.

[Curcio]

I think someone said above that .dat swapping doesn't work anymore with it. I haven't tried it, it might, but I don't know where to find a website to teach you how to .dat swap. I found a guide a while ago on alla that showed how to change weapon skills and models, and I think it was under some Campaign NPC WS topic.

Anyway, with appradar you can easily do it with two (DD/NIN, Healer) and without you can do it with 3.

The main point for doing it with three is to kill adds as fast as possible, and sleep what you can. As said before, 2 would probably be max, more if you have more than one sleeper.

Repose works. Maps were provided in the link a bit above.

[Bladewind]

I was going to post an hour ago, how 2 of my friends and I do this every week with 3, and finish in the 8-12 minute range with no problem. None of us use any external programs or .dat swaps.

Then we went and did it and for the first time ever, we timed out, just as the final Ant died but before we could open the chest. Sucks to be us.

I still believe this is an easy ENM with a small group and without using 3rd party programs. However, as with everything else in this game, there's always a chance of getting unlucky and failing.

[cdgreg]

I was going to post an hour ago, how 2 of my friends and I do this every week with 3, and finish in the 8-12 minute range with no problem. None of us use any external programs or .dat swaps.

Then we went and did it and for the first time ever, we timed out, just as the final Ant died but before we could open the chest. Sucks to be us.

I still believe this is an easy ENM with a small group and without using 3rd party programs. However, as with everything else in this game, there's always a chance of getting unlucky and failing.

Do you have the nm spawn points memorized, or just run around with some hope?

[Qeomash]

My group and I have done this ENM for over a year, and only recently started using .dat swaps after one too many failed run because we couldn't find it. We have most all the spawn points memorized already, it was just the weird ones that would always get us.

The actual dat used is ROM/156/16.dat.

[Bladewind]

Do you have the nm spawn points memorized, or just run around with some hope?

We know most of the spawns from experience, and like i say we've never failed this before. It just decided to be a bastard today, we actually ran over the area where the nm spawned for the final time multiple times and it didn't appear. Took 4 mins to find it in the end, timed out as it died.

[Elites]

My group and I have done this ENM for over a year, and only recently started using .dat swaps after one too many failed run because we couldn't find it. We have most all the spawn points memorized already, it was just the weird ones that would always get us.

The actual dat used is ROM/156/16.dat.

I haven't had the chance to go recently but if what someone said earlier was true that they've ninja fixed this, did you go recently to find out? Guess ill have to wait till tomorrow.

[SubzeroDiabolos]

We're trying to trio this with the job we have available but it's kind of hard and we're not exactly experienced in it and our sleeper is slightly gimp. :'(

[Aevis]

you know that for SE .dat swapping is as illegal as using any 3rd pt app. the discussion about the use of either is so meaningless. you use it or not, that's it.

[SubzeroDiabolos]

you know that for SE .dat swapping is as illegal as using any 3rd pt app. the discussion about the use of either is so meaningless. you use it or not, that's it.

This wasn't a discussion about the use of 3rd party program conscience, but rather about way to do this safely. I honnestly don't give a fuck about anyone using any 3rd party programs other than bots.

[Wizrow]

Fillmode works, you just have to be a little creative.

Fillmode trick will always work if the NM respawns OUT OF YOUR VIEWING RANGE(over 55' away or so). If it respawns in your viewing range, your screwed.

So, the best way to do this is to just pull the NM back to the start every time. There are only 2 places it can pop (and you can't see it)if you do this.

-Right where it spawns the first time you pop it.
-On the edge of that little hill directly to the left of where you pop it the first time.

So if you don't see it when you've gone back to the start to find it then it has to be in one of those places.

[Bladewind]

We're trying to trio this with the job we have available but it's kind of hard and we're not exactly experienced in it and our sleeper is slightly gimp. :'(

Just kill the first 2, if we find the 3rd before the NM dies we either kill it, or sleep it if we're short on time and go straight to the NM, 0-1 mob is much easier to sleep than ~3.