DK DW nerfs already?

[Blabj]

So I thought they were improving Death Knights dual wielding, but it seems instead of buffing it they're normalising Killing Machine, so instead of having a 50% chance to proc off every white crit you do, they're making it a 5ppm (proc per minute) with a chance to proc off normal melee hits.

Already gone are the days of having KM up almost permenantly with a decent enough crit rate :<

I guess this means they're making DKs make the shift from using fast/fast weapons to slow/slow, to attempt to gain the damage lost by not having 100% guaranteed crits up.

With the Unholy changes as they stand, less and less people are going to go as far as 39 points into the unholy tree anyway, so I can see this is going to make way for more specs which touch into the blood spec, or even further into frost.

edit: Link to blue post http://blue.mmo-champion.com/28/1428...cent-proc.html and MMO champ post http://www.mmo-champion.com/index.php?topic=33476.0

[Gulkeeva]

Well they are buffing the corpse explosion and necrosis, so might see a different type of build later... wondering just how much corpse explosion hits for. If it crits like 1.5K or something I'd probably get it.

[Koyangi]

being able to sustain a crit rate of 100% doesnt sound any bit broken to you? I'm happy that's a change.

[Dantrag]

they're taking out the 2h tanking weps =/ THATS FKN GAY

[Korietsu]

they're taking out the 2h tanking weps =/ THATS FKN GAY

Eh, its not hard to hit the def cap. I'm 60ish short and I'm halfway through 78. By the time I ding, I'll have enough def/HP to tank heroics no problem. Obviously as we get more avoidance we'll have problems, but really its for the greater good of the class.

[Norellicus]

Wha? Why would they do that?

[Dantrag]

Eh, its not hard to hit the def cap. I'm 60ish short and I'm halfway through 78. By the time I ding, I'll have enough def/HP to tank heroics no problem. Obviously as we get more avoidance we'll have problems, but really its for the greater good of the class.

I disagree, I'm @ def cap w/ pretty much the best gear i can get pre-raiding. It's a bitch to pretty much have to def gem/def enchant everything we get. I was looking forward to being able to regem and re-enchant some of my gear so that i could have even more avoid/stam. Also don't be fooled, you lose a metric shit-ton of Def as you "upgrade" to purples".

[Gulkeeva]

Wha? Why would they do that?

Its because blizz didn't want dk tanks to ONLY have that weapon, and hoping people will use variety by using the new runes and relics they will be adding.

[Dantrag]

The relic sucks. The rune enchant is nice but would still rather have the wep + the rune. I use 2x 1h atm for tanking because I'd rather use that than have to gem even more towards def than i already do.

[aers]

The build was completely broken anyway (dw frost with no howling blast cooldown = LOL).

[Ishido]

DW should be getting nerfed because it is an extremely powerful spec right now. Tanking weapons are being removed because they are dumb (BiS defensively or they are forced to itemize 2h tanking weapons throughout raids which are a waste to everyone except tanking DKs).

[Norellicus]

So their thinking is that they'll just use whatever 2h is available with the rune? Or that they'll DW 1h tanking weapons and get parryhasted to death? >.>a

Edit: I understand their logic with the itemization, its like the armor nerf druids are getting...but they changed one of our talents to make up for the mitigation loss, are they making any such compensation to help this?

[Dantrag]

So their thinking is that they'll just use whatever 2h is available with the rune? Or that they'll DW 1h tanking weapons and get parryhasted to death? >.>a

parry hasted to death is a bunch of crap honestly

[Correction]

parry hasted to death is a bunch of crap honestly

Wait till they put in more bosses who can use Thrash. Then suddenly parryhaste will start gibbing tanks again

[Lbelle]

I am DW spec right testing it out, and I HATE it. Maybe I'm doing it wrong but I have a howling blast CD and my dps is substantially lower than it was in both PVE Unholy and Blood by a significant margin.

IT > PS > BS > BS > HB > DC is my rotation 15/37/19 wtf am I doing wrong. Can barely hold 2k in this spec it's fucking pathetic. Full T7/gems/enchants everything. Dunno.

[Ishido]

parry hasted to death is a bunch of crap honestly

For a single person, sort of. For DPS, I just always think back to Kuai's old sig. In my opinion it's not always the risk getting gibbed that makes it worse, but it increases damage taken because of the mechanic.

I can only imagine the day more bosses get Thrash and healers start wtf'ing in raids even more than they have. Malchezzar was a treat sometimes.

edit: Our DW DK is doing about 5k+ DPS most of the time, I believe he is 0/32/39.

[Rivero]

I am DW spec right testing it out, and I HATE it. Maybe I'm doing it wrong but I have a howling blast CD and my dps is substantially lower than it was in both PVE Unholy and Blood by a significant margin.

IT > PS > BS > BS > HB > DC is my rotation 15/37/19 wtf am I doing wrong. Can barely hold 2k in this spec it's fucking pathetic. Full T7/gems/enchants everything. Dunno.

DW at the moment is total crap. I'd wait for the new changes to the frost tree before even considering it and I can probably assume even then 2H will still outweigh DW in benefits. : p

[Plow]

The World of Warcraft Armory

Dunno much about DK's, but I know this dude's dps is sick. I also know he has a 213 2hander which he stopped using in favor of 2 blues, and currently blue mainhand + 200 offhand as soon as he tested out the dual wield build. Pretty much always doubles everybody on both teams dmg in 5's too lol.

[Blabj]

I don't have a single piece of T7, my gear is reasonably gemmed and I have only got my head enchanted and I'm pulling 2.2k DPS unbuffed (just horn)

PS>IT>BS>BS>HB>DC>PS>IT>IT>IT>HB>DC>DC

But I'm 32/39 for the time being, while it remains un-nerfed.

Howling blast CD untill 3.0.8, then it's removed. If they'd have made that change and left KM unchanged... It probably would have been insane.

Also make sure you're using fast weapons, anything above 1.60 speed is useless for that far into frost.

[Lbelle]

I followed EJ suggestion with a slow MH/Fast OH and their formula for uber big DW DPS and it just blows the D so much. I was thinking I'd come back to this thread to see what the hell I was doing wrong but I just am going to stick to my 2H and go back in to the 2.7k range and feel better about myself I think.

What is better/so amazing about this 32/39 spec? It's vastly different than what I'm doing.