Bart Police shooting of a young man named Oscar Grant in Oakland (YouTube'd)

[Elvis]

/dont-taze-me-while-I'm-already-subdued-bro, but-instead-accidentally-shoot-me

[melbufrauma]

lol hex

[Jefe]

It seems like an accident, irregardless, he [xcop] should be held accountable.

[Kuya]

It seems like an accident, irregardless, he [xcop] should be held accountable.

What is with you and using that word.

[Elvis]

What does it even mean? Isn't 'regardless' the same thing?

Let's talk about this from now on.

[Kuya]

It's a double negative; it makes no sense.

[melbufrauma]

does it make it a positive? thats like the term "God awful" isnt god supposed to be all good?

[Halleberry]

If your gonna weight in on this, you should see the video from multiple angles, not just one. The current most popular angle does not show Grant throwing his hands up in a very defensive position just before being thrown to the ground. The video is always edited and Grant is on the ground in the next scene. ( YouTube - Bart Police shooting in Oakland KTVU report 1:50 mark) I have been trying to find it unedited, but not much luck, but this is one of the best angles so far, although the media swears this one is ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=idJAr...eature=related ) . When you put the two together, you can clearly see Grant is not resisting in a combative way, he rises to his knees, puts his hands up defensivly, gestures to his chest, and back to the officers in a calm non aggresive manner, but a cop comes from behind him and pushes him to the floor. In fact, you can see the cop from video 2 finishing putting cuffs on one guy then turning his attention to Grant and very aggresively throwing him to the floor trying to cuff him also.

Lets pause for a minute, we know that its 2am new years, this is a group of young men who were accused of fighting on the train, but there is no evidence of that. It's new years, they probably had drinks, there are a lot of emotions flying around. A cop slams you on your stomach your gonna resist a bit, its a reflex, and the alcohol if there was any, might make him more resistant, but even so, he had one cop on his neck, another standing over him, and officer Mehserle trying to cuff him, or adjusting the cuffs or something, he had 2 cops directly working on him, and another standing over him watching the situation. There was absolutely no reason for him to reach for his taser, in fact in this video, you can see that Grant was cuffed before he was shot ( YouTube - Studying The Taser's Role In The Bart Shooting ). If he wasn't why were they taken off, to be put back on again, it doesn't make sense.

This just goes to show that these cops aren't perfect and are getting bad training. The news keeps calling him a two year veteran, since when is 2 years veteran status? He's a ROOKIE, and he either made a mistake and meant to tase him unjustly, or shot Grant in rage. Either way, he needs to go to court on some type of murder charges. There is no excuse that will justify his actions. To all of those who say Grant got what he deserved, he shouldn't have been out, other forums or blogs are saying this guy is trash and should've have been home with his 2yr old daughter. It's 2am on new years, daughter or not, a 22 yr old man would be celebrating with family or friends. The consequences for a fight on the metro should never be a bullet, let alone to the back while you're held down. This is a fine example of cops ego tripping on the deadly power they wield. This could be any one of us, a cop has a bad day and takes it out on you, or he can't handle the stress of the job. Too many cops are fearful behind that badge, being a police officer is not a job for the weak or fearful. Yea there were a lot of kids and adults yelling at him from the train, but thats part of the job, if that is to stressful for you, you do not need to apply for the job. These guys have ultimate authority over you when you walk down the street, they need to be screened much better when we give them guns and tasers. When you give weak cowards that type of power, they usually abuse it.

[Mizango]

does it make it a positive? thats like the term "God awful" isnt god supposed to be all good?

Must....resi...r...re...resist....

[Kuya]

It would be like saying: "It seems like an accident, in that regard, he [xcop] should be held accountable."

Which makes no sense; this is very important by the way.

[Correction]

Lol lookit me pretending to know the legal definition of murder.

Psst, if even you are arguing it was a mistake there's no chance of a murder charge sticking.

[Halleberry]

Psst, if even you are arguing it was a mistake there's no chance of a murder charge sticking.

What's more important, my legal knowledge, or this officers actions?

[Kuya]

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[Elvis]

It's definitely important whether he was cuffed or not. It would add onto the fact that he was subdued and face down on the ground. All of this just begs the question: why even attempt to taze him?

What justification would there be? I think the shooting was an accident. The reaction of the cop says it all. He fucked up big time.

But wouldn't he be guilty of negligent homicide or something?

EDIT:

Nvm, negligent homicide is incorrect. Involuntary manslaughter seems right though.

Involuntary manslaughter, sometimes called criminally negligent homicide in the United States, gross negligence manslaughter in England and Wales or culpable homicide in Scotland, occurs where there's no intention to kill or cause serious injury, but death is due to recklessness or criminal negligence.

So once again, /MATLOCK, since Oscar was face down on the ground, subdued and handcuffed, you could say there was no justification to taze him (basically, subdue him further).

Since the cop pulled out a gun instead of a tazer, he ended up killing the guy.

However, the death was not intended it's manslaughter and not murder.

Summary:
*Criminal negligence = Yes, since Oscar was already subdued. No reason to taze him or otherwise subdue him further.

*No intention to cause death or serious harm = Yes, the cop was going to just taze the guy.

[Kuya]

Recent memory tells me that cops have tended to be quite eager to use those tazers.

[Elvis]

I remember some Swedish guy getting tazed at an airport and then dying of a heart attack. He's Swedish though - doesn't count.

[0ni0n]

You need to prove that the cop has a premeditated intent to inflict harm in order to find him guilty of murder. As guilty as he looks in the video, it's gonna be difficult to prove that without a shade of doubt. To fight off involuntary manslaughter though, he's gonna need a very good lawyer.

[Yuri-G]

Irregardless is not technically a word in formal English, it's just as bad as "gonna" or "ain't." Maybe even worse.

Just wanted to point that out, I hate it when people say irregardless.

Also: Fuck you, Firefox, for allowing people to type it without marking it as a spelling error.

[Elvis]

Firefox emboldens the terrorists.

[Chicomagiko]

Firefox embiggens the terrorists.

>_> hehe