Bart Police shooting of a young man named Oscar Grant in Oakland (YouTube'd)

[Nephlite]

Rodney King was a case of extreme police brutality but he also admitted freely that he resisted arrest because he was stopped by white cops. If he was stopped by black cops, he wouldn't have resisted? How does that sound when you go infront of a jury? Granted I always felt the cops in that case were right in trying to subdue him, but wrong for beating him like they did. That's another case of training taking a nose dive off the deep end of paranoia and they allowed themselves to be swept up in the flow.

It just sucks that every time something like this happens, it causes a political frenzy and someone screams "White guy kills black guy? Must be Racism!". A buddy of mine shot a black kid in a drug raid once when the kid pulled a switchblade and attempted to stab another officer. The community outcried and said "There's no way that kid could have done this! That white officer just wanted to kill a black kid!".

Needless to say the officer ended up getting suspended pending for 3 weeks while the investigation went off. Didn't happen the same way when he greased a Hispanic illegal immigrant who decided to pull a sawed off during a traffic stop. Or the white PCP user who tried to peel his scalp with a razor blade then took the razor and tried to peel his childs skin with the razor.

You sir must be racist for even suggesting such a thing. Anyone who doesn't agree with him will be seen as such also.

This is just me talking about the same shit I talk about with all my other cop buddies. 65-75% of the DCMPD is black and they're just as pissed off, if not just as racist as I am due to a consistent trashing of their good name just because someone of their own race screamed racism and bring back tensions that should have died 300 years ago. My best friend in the whole wide world is mixed white and black and when stuff like this happens, he just simply says "I don't care about white or black. Fuck em. I'm coffee colored motherfucker!"

[Cleverness]

Rodney king happened back in 91.... that's almost 20 fucking years. Rodney king 2? Really? Are you that fucking dumb? A few white cops beat a helpless black guy to an inch of his life is just like a cop mistakenly shotting a guy in the back thinking he had a taser. Now i know you are butthurt because i trolled your friend but think about what you say please.

How is the time relevant? It's barely been over 50 years since the Civil Rights movement yet we still have racism today. And if you weren't stupid, you'd read I posted the Rodney King comparisons IN REGARDS TO THE TRIAL. Wanna see?

By the way I only mention Rodney King as a comparison to how the trial process was shaping up. While excessive force was used in the arrest attempt also(getting shot with a gun while face down cuffed is excessive, accident or not can't argue this), it was again an accident.

Maybe if I put it in bold you won't be retarded enough to overlook it again. I already said there was a difference between beating a black man mercilessly and accidentally shooting a suspect, are you really this fucking stupid? Do you just ignore shit to make yourself feel better? While the actions leading to the arrest were obviously different, the trial was shaping up exactly the same way. While I don't disagree that changing the venue is ever a bad move(it's needed many times), if you set up a jury that looks oddly familiar to another time when someone had a bad encounter with the cops, people are gonna talk.

Anymore stupid things you wanna say bro?

[Yabby]

How is the time relevant? It's barely been over 50 years since the Civil Rights movement yet we still have racism today. And if you weren't stupid, you'd read I posted the Rodney King comparisons IN REGARDS TO THE TRIAL. Wanna see?

Time is the most relevant thing about racism.... If this happened 50 years ago (And i'm sure did) it wouldn't make the page 7 news. Are you really that retarded to think the time frame in which something occurs isn't relevant? And in regards to the trail, they don't walk out on the street and randomly pick every white person they can find to be on the jury.They do a random draw of people out of everyone who is registered to vote. Then they narrow it down again in a random selection process. If your number is picked you go to the court house and they do a jury selection process in which they ask you a series of questions. Based on your answers the lawyers on both sides decide if they want you on the jury.

[Cleverness]

And it's really easy to get excused if just 1 lawyer doesn't want you on the panel, which is why none of the main jurors were black. Several were alternates, but none were ever alternated in.

Honestly just stop posting here, your stupidity knows no bounds. Next people will be talking about their love for strawberry ice cream and you'll chime in with your stupidity going "lol isnt it funny how people who like strawberry ice cream like it more than vanilla?" since you were never taught common sense. Fingers off the kb, hit the back button.

[archibaldcrane]

Time and again and from a couple of people have we said that you can Taze someone for the smallest of resistance (Passive Resistance is the next step above Compliance in my departments Use of Force policy and "Less Lethal" weapons are in that category as a response option). And Passive Resistance isn't even struggling or fighting! Just merely taking a fighting stance can warrant a Tazer use

This is entirely fucked up.

[Yabby]

And it's really easy to get excused if just 1 lawyer doesn't want you on the panel, which is why none of the main jurors were black. Several were alternates, but none were ever alternated in.

Honestly just stop posting here, your stupidity knows no bounds. Next people will be talking about their love for strawberry ice cream and you'll chime in with your stupidity going "lol isnt it funny how people who like strawberry ice cream like it more than vanilla?" since you were never taught common sense. Fingers off the kb, hit the back button.

Yea you're a moron. Sorry the white man keeping you down. There are limits to how many people can be removed off the jury based on the state and a few other things. Get over yourself thinking you have any insight into what that jury was thinking or their thoughts on what that cop did.

Sorry people don't agree that everyone in this world is racist and hates black people. And i'm sure every person on that jury was a black hating KKK member out to get all the brothers. GTFO you have no clue what you are talking about.

[Cleverness]

Only racist here is you and probably the cop in this thread bro, not me. If anything I actually love the white man, I get to go to school for free and get an excellent education thanks to affirmative action, good job trying to play the racist card though, dumb people such as yourself always resort to that. I'm just stating the facts of the case and the relations that people in that area(not me) were making to other cases. I know your reading comprehension is bad but maybe if you read it a few more times you'll get it.

I could care less if it was an accident, and the kid was white/black/asian/eskimo, a loss of life that shouldn't have happened occurred, and the officer deserved to go to jail. With the extra charge of gun enhancement they added on top of the manslaughter he's actually probably, sadly, going to be in jail LONGER(depending on his final sentencing) than if he got Murder 2 since his sentence on that charge would have been low considering the circumstances, and with the gun enhancement charge they added on there is NO chance he will simply get probation, and he won't have a choice of getting out after 50% of time served.

Again this is a waste to explain to someone of your intelligence. Please continue with your excellent rebuttal of "no u r da racist lulz".

[miokomioko]

no u

good one

[jmc]

I don't see how this is still going, I really don't.

The former officer got convicted of a crime, said officer will be more than likely going to jail. Unless he gets some type of special imprisonment he is more than likely not coming back out.

What am I missing here?

[Yabby]

Does an attack on someone's intelligence raise your IQ? Keep trying if you feel the need to do that instead of discussing the topic. You can call me a racist all you want if that makes you feel better about yourself also. The only thing you posted in regards to facts in the case is the link noting no black jurors, besides that you have done nothing but try to attack me because I pissed off your butt buddy.

That's ok tho.... sucking each other off is important i'm sure. Keep telling yourself that your intelligence is above a troll. I know people need something to hope for to sleep at night.

[Cleverness]

I don't see how this is still going, I really don't.

The former officer got convicted of a crime, said officer will be more than likely going to jail. Unless he gets some type of special imprisonment he is more than likely not coming back out.

What am I missing here?

Another officer came in and started bringing in real racial talk to the table, saying the victim had a history yet everyone painted him as a saint because of this. He made several good points about how the community threatened the officers family who aren't at fault here(which is fucked up), it wasn't a hate crime at all, etc. Still sounded kind of racist though and then this Yabby guy says something stupid, gets called out and now I'm just getting him to continue to respond for my enjoyment since the World Cup was moving pretty slow.

Does an attack on someone's intelligence raise your IQ? Keep trying if you feel the need to do that instead of discussing the topic. You can call me a racist all you want if that makes you feel better about yourself also. The only thing you posted in regards to facts in the case is the link noting no black jurors, besides that you have done nothing but try to attack me because I pissed off your butt buddy.

That's ok tho.... sucking each other off is important i'm sure. Keep telling yourself that your intelligence is above a troll. I know people need something to hope for to sleep at night.

So your retort is you have nothing to say? Thought so. Last word.

P.S. I'm specifically saying this to provoke a response from you again since you're dumb enough to fall for it. Prove me right that you'll respond again, or prove me right that you had nothing of worth to ever say here and you're just posting to get the last licks in. I'll be happy to repeat this again. Also I keep laughing that you think somehow me and fin are buddies, but I guess you need an excuse to justify yourself.

[Yabby]

P.S. I'm specifically saying this to provoke a response from you again since you're dumb enough to fall for it.

yea, you are the one provoking.

[Cleverness]

yea, you are the one provoking.

P.S. I'm specifically saying this to provoke a response from you again since you're dumb enough to fall for it. Prove me right that you'll respond again, or prove me right that you had nothing of worth to ever say here and you're just posting to get the last licks in. I'll be happy to repeat this again. Also I keep laughing that you think somehow me and fin are buddies, but I guess you need an excuse to justify yourself.

Dance puppet, dance.

[Nephlite]

Another officer came in and started bringing in real racial talk to the table, saying the victim had a history yet everyone painted him as a saint because of this. He made several good points about how the community threatened the officers family who aren't at fault here(which is fucked up), it wasn't a hate crime at all, etc. Still sounded kind of racist though and then this Yabby guy says something stupid, gets called out and now I'm just getting him to continue to respond for my enjoyment since the World Cup was moving pretty slow.

I can most assuredly say I am not a racist . If you're going by what I was posting here, first it was in response to the often repeated phrase in this thread "Black dude got shot by white cop, racist! Kill the bastard!", and I was just telling it how it is (the valid points I made, not the ranting). That's the problem i'm seeing more and more these days. If a black man talks shit about any race, he's funny (usually, not you D.L. Hughly) or he's speaking the truth. A white man makes the exact same crack about a black guy, he's a racist.

This is entirely fucked up.

Why? Would you rather police go hands on with a subject refusing to comply to arrest, potentially causing more harm to the subject or escalating said situation? Or using a Tazer or Pepper Spray to incapacitate him and preventing further injury and getting the scene over quick?

[archibaldcrane]

Why? Would you rather police go hands on with a subject refusing to comply to arrest, potentially causing more harm to the subject or escalating said situation? Or using a Tazer or Pepper Spray to incapacitate him and preventing further injury and getting the scene over quick?

Yes, I'd rather police go hands-on with someone who isn't a threat and is going limp or other passive resistance than play the taser death lottery.

You're a cop - tell me. How many times can you shock someone who has chosen to be uncooperative by going limp if they continue to do so after being shocked?

You're allowed to torture someone - not because they are dangerous, but because they are literally doing nothing. How is that not fucked up?

[Nephlite]

Yes, I'd rather police go hands-on with someone who isn't a threat and is going limp or other passive resistance than play the taser death lottery.

You're a cop - tell me. How many times can you shock someone who has chosen to be uncooperative by going limp if they continue to do so after being shocked?

You're allowed to torture someone - not because they are dangerous, but because they are literally doing nothing. How is that not fucked up?

The alternative is joint lock pain compliance which can cripple or injure, or an ASP to the thigh or arms. It's not torture, it's inflicting pain to get someone to do what you want when they won't follow your order.

Ultimately it's all about a tactical decision to resolve a conflict. By going limp, not only do I have to drag your ass to the waiting bus, but I also gotta cuff you and stick one more charge on to you for resisting arrest. People don't realize just how dangerous it is out there. Yeah, that little old lady going limp because you're removing her from an area doesn't pose much of a threat, but she's still RESISTING a Law Enforcement Officer. If you want to change the laws of resisting arrest, or the laws of enforcement, then write a letter. Otherwise, as long as it's still legal, police are going to continue to use these tactics as much as possible.

With that, my tactical response to a passive resistor due to my knowledge and experience, is to have a buddy of mine cover them with a Tazer while I cuff them. That way if the 70 year old woman decides to pull out a knife and stab me in the thigh while i'm trying to cuff her like she did 3 years ago, she can get 50,000 volts. Or why not kill her while we're at it? Hell it's a knife. Deadly Force bro. Guess what? It's justified.

[jmc]

Why? Would you rather police go hands on with a subject refusing to comply to arrest, potentially causing more harm to the subject or escalating said situation? Or using a Tazer or Pepper Spray to incapacitate him and preventing further injury and getting the scene over quick?

If its anything like people in MA....

People in MA complain about the use of select less lethal weapons, kinda why Boston doesn't use Tasers, rubber bullets. They rather have officers use a "hands on approach" with a unruly suspect.

Yet, once a officer gets injured...... all hell breaks loose because of injury pay and how the officer should have taken a better approach so he/she wouldn't get injured.

Its a Lose-Lose here lol

[Nephlite]

Yeah really that's what it's all about. I honestly hate having to fight with people and wish I didn't have to fight with people but at the end of the day, it's my ultimate goal to go home and see my wife and kids. Regardless of what happens, i'd rather be safe than sorry. It's always been a lose-lose situation and always will be. Till badguys stop being badguys, it'll continue.

[miokomioko]

Being a law enforcement officer is a lose-lose situation.

The only way I can imagine anyone can remain sane through bullshit like this is to just take comfort in the idea that they are keeping people safe regardless of whether people realize/appreciate it or not.

[jmc]

Being a law enforcement officer is a lose-lose situation.

The only way I can imagine anyone can remain sane through bullshit like this is to just take comfort in the idea that they are keeping people safe regardless of whether people realize/appreciate it or not.

^ thats why some people take the job to begin with. Same thing for EMT's and firefighters usually.