Alternativ Merit Camps

[Nameless]

La Value isn't bad before they added all the NMs, haven't tried after. We camped at G-9 and sort of roam once all the links are gone. I say the exp rate is about same as mamool with an average party. Tho it is somewhat harder so you need a better setup. Never tried the other two strongholds.

[TacoTaru]

This. Same with pulling occasional mamool/mamool pets.

Ok thanks for that; generally this is where I tend to lose chain since I rarely get with melee who want to do Wivre. I thought people were talking about rotating the upper and lower deck >_>

[Alistaire]

Neo knows how to not exaggerate. Glad I'm not alone.

Look at what he's saying. He's saying he gets at least that amount. The reason I said the "something" in "32.something k /hr" is because of 2 things:

1. I read the 32. in expwatch.
2. Since 32k/hr IS NOT UNBELIEVABLE it was like "oh hey, sup 32k/hr, how ya doin today?"

[Tubbers]

You do realize your parse is consistant with what I'm saying right? I don't see why you're getting mad at me when you're agreeing with me...
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45 seconds
36 seconds
300 EXP/Mob
Neo knows how to not exaggerate. Glad I'm not alone.

So consistent. I'm telling you actual real averages from my average parties, you're arguing theoretical limits on extreme parties and using ridiculous approximations, and when someone else claims very reasonable averages (Neo) which my actual real parse agrees with, you claim he is exaggerating.

Let's assume you're the only party there, and you are able to pull from a selection of 15 birds, and 5 Wivres. That's 20 mobs / 5m15s theoretical limit. Your setup is godly, you have Apoc/SAM Apoc/SAM WAR/SAM COR BRD RDM. Everyone is experienced at this and highly skilled. You have a 19 second average fight time, and a 22 second average kill->kill time. So it takes you 7m20s to wipe all 20 mobs you can pool from, and you're killing ~163 mobs per hour. Multiply this by 228 average exp/kill, which is reasonable, and you're looking at 37k/hr, without ever running out of mobs.

I rounded down in several places to make this more realistic. I can certainly see 35k/hr being achievable. Especially considering there are mamools which can be pulled as well.

[Nameless]

I wonder if Drg/blu x 4 and Brd x 2 would do better than that setup. Drgs are seriously overpowered at that camp.

Or just Drg/sam x 3 brd brd rdm.

[Ultimagi]

I claimed he is exaggerating? I was being sincere. My theoretical numbers are meant to be obscene to emphasize the impossibility of these 35,000 experience points per hour parties. Assuming absolutely ideal conditions, it's still impossible. You can't pull 20 different enemies, you'll get 15 or 16 if you're lucky enough to be alone there. From the bottom camp you get 11 Colibri, maybe 2 extra from the middle, and 2 or 3 Wivres. From the middle camp you get 10 Colibri, 2 Wivres, and 2 Mamool.

[Tubbers]

Okay, I misread that part as, "Neo knows how to exaggerate", so sorry about that. Still you're underestimating this by a longshot.

There are 8 Wivre total in the area.

Middle Camp: 10 Colibri, 2(maybe 3?) Wivre are just there on the walkable area.
3-4 Mamool can be pulled from above, ~4 birds can be pulled from below, at least one Wivre can be pulled from below.

That's 14 Colibri, 3 Wivre, 3 Mamool, which is still 21 mobs.

Bottom Camp: 11 birds, 4 or 5 Wivre. You can pull roughly 3 birds from the top fairly consistently.

18 mobs, you still wont run out and the 37k/hr estimate I posted earlier is still possible.

[dejet]

i never get a merit camp to myself... so really i have no clue what the max exp/hr i could get. maybe you can but i have never seen it myself never can. i get an avg of 15k/hr-20k depending on other pts(there are always 3 other pts at camps)

this is the main reason i stopped doing merits there are only a few that need anymore so i just get them sky farming or shit. farm pots get 7k exp or so, ulli camp 10k exp always b4 a dio drops.

I would never go to that camp as a DD id sooner go blm burn then dd burn.

[Cream Soda]

What servers do ya'll be on that both middle and bottom birds are open at the same time. I'll transfer there.

[socoxak]

Well, since the thread is still on the colibri camp topic, I must recommend every bard to get a mamoolbane (or one of the other two) and macro it on. It is amazing for when you need to pull fast or pull from the ledge up to 25'.

Not having the bird sit around for 5sec to cast elegy back is pretty awesome. I ended up pulling with only mamoolbane and doing elegy after the mob was voked.

29k/hr according to expwatch the whole time. Setup was SAM72 WAR/NIN DRG DRG BRD COR. The sam box'd a rdm outside pt so he could leech. Could have been faster easily, the DD's weren't top of the line. We didn't end up pulling any mamool or wivre, birds from both floors only.
EDIT:
Oh yeah, the sam was also controlling the war...

[Ultimagi]

True enough, I hate going there. If you manage to get it to yourself, some inconsiderate noob party leader will camp on top of you within an hour anyway.

Do you have a bard literally staying at the edge just to pull extra enemies? It's hard enough to get 1 or 2 in Elegy range when you need it.

[Ultimagi]

Oh nice, I have one of those, I never thought of pulling with a throwing item as Bard...

[Tubbers]

What servers do ya'll be on that both middle and bottom birds are open at the same time. I'll transfer there.

Ragnarok, it doesn't happen often but there are stretches around midnight-3am EST on weekdays where both camps are open.

[Alistaire]

Oh nice, I have one of those, I never thought of pulling with a throwing item as Bard...

It's why bards have throwing skill! Seriously though that would negate one of the bigger reasons COR pulling > BRD pulling, when the birds come straight for you instead of doing that spell learning animation + casting it speeds things up a bit.

[Nameless]

There's a great spot in La Vaule S near one of the sheds in the middle of the zone. I believe someone mentioned it earlier. You camp up the ramp, face a shed, and have an entire area to pull from, right to left. Never have to fight with anyone for mobs, and we hit 20-25k/hr easily with a pick up group. It was fun. )

Yea, I did it with my LS members at the time, had alot of fun and said that we will do this again, then we never did. It is just one of those places that you will only go if bird or mamool aren't open, which happens rarely in Kujata.

[Max™]

That sounds like a lot of fun actually, though Orc Cstance is the bane of my existence.

The first bridge in La Vaule, towards the house for Windy Mission 8 wand NM, I don't remember exactly, but there's something like 10 Orcs up there + at least 5 or 6 Imps that I saw.

As for Colibri, you shoulda seen the glory days right after the 2h buff was broken.

When shit would literally die before you could re-engage if you happened to not be facing the right way during pulls, you start wondering why you have a healer in the party.

Still ridiculous if penisbirds live more than 30 seconds, like... if everyone's JA's are all down, someone got tickled as the other guy WSed and made the third guy waste his TP on 3% of a Colibri... the bard let songs lapse, and you're all utterly retarded at engaging, it's reasonable for the next bird to live 40+ seconds.

[ringthree]

What servers do ya'll be on that both middle and bottom birds are open at the same time. I'll transfer there.

LOL Seriously, except the transferring part.

[WraithLakshmi]

I've been in a few parties at birds where we got over 33k an hour. In a couple of those I was on ninja, and I always voke at the start of fights if the timer is up. I would say the AVERAGE time from starting to fight one bird to starting to fight the next is 25 seconds for these parties, I'm only able to open with voke every other fight.

Base exp for colibri are 320 for lvl81, and 360 for lvl 82, so average of 340.
Multiply by .35 to get your share of that for a 6 man pt = 119.
Multiply by 1.15 for Sanction bonus = 136.85.
Multiply by 1.5 assuming you are keeping a chain = 205.275
Multiply by 1.184 for an average 18.4% bonus from Corsair roll = 243 exp per fight

If you have 2 corsairs and a bard, or a corsair and 2 bard, you should never have downtime between pulls, which is how you would get 25 seconds average from kill -> kill.

243 exp/kill divided by 25 sec/kill = 9.72 exp/sec
9.72 exp/sec * 3600 sec/hour = 34,992 exp/hour

When I say I've gotten 35k, I'm telling you what I have seen on ExpWatch over the course of a merit party, so please GTFO with your "over 24k is impossible at birds" mentality, the math proves you wrong. 35k is possible if your pullers don't suck. At this rate you are pulling 12 mobs in 5 minutes, so if both bird camps are open, you only need to pull 2 or 3 from the bottom every 5 minutes to keep this pace.

I once made 800k/hr at bird camp, I'm not exaggerating to make myself feel cool. >.>

OP thanks for what you attempted to do with this thread, although I saw it devolving as soon as some moron like Wraith completely missed the point and felt the need to post.

I missed the point? The point of merit parties is to get the most amount of merits you can in the shortest amount of time, especially if you are in an active HNM shell and don't have a lot of free time to merit. I welcome anyone who finds a merit camp as good as birds, hell even anything as good as mamools, as I'll do those if both bird camps are taken. However, 12k exp/hour is not good in a merit setting, so while I appreciate what the OP is trying to do, his suggested camp is not a good suggestion.

If getting good exp/hour and not settling for 12k/hour makes me a moron, then I don't want to be smart.

[mallister]

i've done yags a couple of times but it was always on my way to do something else and we just stayed screwing around. thought it had potential but never went back with a real pt. there's a good spot for orcs too with about a dozen orcs and some gigas scattered around, i'll go back and look for it again and give position. (edit: it's better than it sounds ie more than just a 15 mobs or so but i do not remember exact numbers. this was a bit after WotG was released so it's been a while. i'll see if i can find it again.)

i posted about this last year and got my face flamed off here (in fact i think it was on a thread really similiar to this one) for daring to claim i got 33k/hour at nyzul birds/mams. was told it simply wasn't possible due to repops. i know i used to be in the army but i can fucking add still. i've gotten 29-30k several times though it's uncommon. got laughed at for that, too. doesn't take multiple relics in pt, just needs aggressive well geared DD and a good backline. /shrug.

[Cadsuane]

I wonder if Drg/blu x 4 and Brd x 2 would do better than that setup. Drgs are seriously overpowered at that camp.

Or just Drg/sam x 3 brd brd rdm.

You only really need one DRG to heal at birds, preferably /rdm, since barspells being self-target makes them better HB triggers. Assuming he has wyrm or saurian and is reasonably skilled, obviously; without the 500 HP heals the DRG healer advantage evaporates pretty quickly.