Alternativ Merit Camps

[Cadsuane]

I'm sorry. You're not the OP, and this thread was not made by you. You're someone who's basically backdoored the thread into "wah wah birds or gtfo."

I refuse to merit on bard if we're going to birds, because being a bard at birds sucks. It is not fun, and I don't like it. People act like monumentally retarded children at birds.

I prefer having fun - if I'm going to be a bard we're going trolls or something else (not only do trolls support 20k/hr, they support 20k/hr with one bard and one good tank and a good healer and 3 miscellanous whatevers, including BLM OMGOMGGETITOFFME). pld/nin smn brd rng rng rng = 23k/hr, and we only dropped ~20k/hr when one of the rng's had to leave and was repped with a WHM.

Being a bard at birds means I get yelled at by anyone who wanted our camp, I get yelled at if I can't keep birds coming, I get yelled at by other people whose birds I'm stealing, I get yelled at by my party because I'm pulling wivres and "those aren't good xp, those suck" (but damn I liked making 300k in a meripo).

I refuse to camp on top of people, or run them out of camp, as well, so birds are usually not where I merit.

Saying trolls are a viable 20k/hr alternative is misleading when your example group has 3 brd'd rngs. Birds are the handicap a subpar group typically needs for a decent rate, and the same group at trolls can very easily suck to levels I'd fake dc out of.

[TacoTaru]

Saying trolls are a viable 20k/hr alternative is misleading when your example group has 3 brd'd rngs. Birds are the handicap a subpar group typically needs for a decent rate, and the same group at trolls can very easily suck to levels I'd fake dc out of.

Trolls are a viable 20k/hr. Players make the camp regardless of where you are at. If you have an very solid group that can do 25k/hr at birds, you can do 20k/hr at trolls. I've had bird parties that couldn't break 15k/hr, so birds aren't always golden. If you party with people you're confident can do good exp/hr at birds, then you can still do good and relibale exp on trolls.

[Cadsuane]

Trolls are a viable 20k/hr. Players make the camp regardless of where you are at. If you have an very solid group that can do 25k/hr at birds, you can do 20k/hr at trolls. I've had bird parties that couldn't break 15k/hr, so birds aren't always golden. If you party with people you're confident can do good exp/hr at birds, then you can still do good and relibale exp on trolls.

The fact that you can make second rate camps worthwhile with enough skill and gear is a red herring. It's not reliable to the degree that Elphaba was saying, that you could show up with some sort of blm and smn setup and eke that rate out.

[brisk]

Thank god I'm not the only one who hates brd on birds. Its so bad and really not fun. Need to avoid the random bird pt where we can't even get past c10. FRIENDS ONLY

[Cadsuane]

I merit with friends, and my friends are generally reliable enough to "eke" 17-20k out in ToAU. I don't merit with pickups or random people. Ever.

Congratulations, neither do I or probably a good portion of the people in this thread. It was still the wrong point to bring up because:

A. You showed up with 3 rngs and a bard who are presumably good, and got 23k/hr, not a bard and three "miscellaneous whatevers".

B. Fun or your interpretation of it was totally irrelevant to this thread until you brought it up.

[Correction]

I'm finding it increasingly difficult to believe anybody has fun in this game anymore, when something as basic as merit point groups cause this much hatred.

[Cadsuane]

I'm finding it increasingly difficult to believe anybody has fun in this game anymore, when something as basic as merit point groups cause this much hatred.

Dissension isn't hatred. For every bit of controversy there's 20 melodramatic people like you who can't handle normal discourse.

[Sylvrdragon]

What's your real in game name, and what jobs.

Come as voke bitch, and I'll show you 35k an hour to shut your fucking noob mouth up for good.

Sylvr, RDM75, BLU75, PLD75 (not geared). And nothing will EVER shut my noob mouth up for good.

[Correction]

Dissension isn't hatred. For every bit of controversy there's 20 melodramatic people like you who can't handle normal discourse.

In spite of this:

Questions for newer players and standard player discussion. Advanced is the deep end, Standard has no sharks.

People can't resist being dicks to each other, Wop or no Wop shitting in the pool. Someone said '12k/hour' and the spiked boots people have been polishing are on in less than a second to stomp on it.

If that isn't pointless aggression I don't know what is. And you have an extremely warped view of what 'normal discourse' is if you think that's what happens on bgboards.

[Cadsuane]

In spite of this:



People can't resist being dicks to each other, Wop or no Wop shitting in the pool. Someone said '12k/hour' and the spiked boots people have been polishing are on in less than a second to stomp on it.

If that isn't pointless aggression I don't know what is. And you have an extremely warped view of what 'normal discourse' is if you think that's what happens on bgboards.

12k/hr is mediocre. Making that observation is inoccuous enough in itself.

[Cadsuane]

And that's exactly what I fucking meant you stupid trollop.

[Sonomaa]

And that's exactly what I fucking meant you stupid trollop.

hey troll, stop trolling

also lots of banning happening in this thread

[Sonomaa]

and a nice thread turns to shit, considering a lock, prove me wrong

[Baha]

I'll agree with the troll camp, it's pretty fun to pull for on BRD, and not so bad for DD. Upside is, you'll be hard pressed to get competition for pulls (which is the worst aspect of birds imho, on any job). Downside is, yeah, the xp ain't as great/easy, and sometimes you'll get pickups who won't WS etc with stoneskin up, e-peen go.
Mamook's another easy 20kish area, but it's not really as relaxed as trolls.
More of a 70ish levelling area rather than meriting, but the khimaira-area imps are pretty decent. Usually, at worst, there's one pt at the very entrance, but the pathway to khim is almost always free. It's a bit of a pain to get to, soulflayers suck, imps aren't very fun either, but at least it'll get you away from all the mouthbreathers at the normal imp camps at Caedarva.

Usually I'm (was) of the mindset to make meripo as efficient as possible, but with LS friends it's not the most important thing. Sure, those parties where you get 30ish k/hr are awesome, but they're pretty tiring (especially on BRD). A laid-back party with people you know (but still a BRD or COR!) will still get 20k/hr, and you'll have more freedom on which jobs to take. Usually that's enough, change to a job you don't get to play as much, help a PLD or WHM refill buffer in one sitting, everyone wins.

[Cleverness]

and a nice thread turns to shit, considering a lock, prove me wrong

Ban the 2 fucktards who started the whole "lol bird camps > everything" bs on Page 1 and problem will be solved <_<

I 2nd the Khim imps, I went there once when leveling BLU to 75 and it was completely empty, never had to wait for imps.

Also, did people suddenly forget Sky? That place at least on Hades is always empty, minus pop items/such. Went there once at 75 killing weapons, I used my exp ring but it couldn't have been less than 15k/hr from what I gathered from the other members. Constantly moving and making loops is a requirement for great xp, but not having to fight for mobs was well worth it. Haven't been back since getting people to sky is hard enough.

[Liquidedust]

Ban the 2 fucktards who started the whole "lol bird camps > everything" bs on Page 1 and problem will be solved <_<

I 2nd the Khim imps, I went there once when leveling BLU to 75 and it was completely empty, never had to wait for imps.

Also, did people suddenly forget Sky? That place at least on Hades is always empty, minus pop items/such. Went there once at 75 killing weapons, I used my exp ring but it couldn't have been less than 15k/hr from what I gathered from the other members. Constantly moving and making loops is a requirement for great xp, but not having to fight for mobs was well worth it. Haven't been back since getting people to sky is hard enough.

While I personally might have come out rather strong in my initial response for me its usually not an issue to find birds camp free. My server happen to be a low population server. I play in EU primetime with a server with low EU population on top of that so either Birds or MJSP are almost always a sure bet for me (e.g. one or the other or both are open).

However as noted there are options to these camps I sometimes head to for fun or just to enjoy a good time with friends.

Mount.Z
Trolls in Mount.Z are obvious, its slightly more work for your merits but most certainly an ok place to head to if your first picks are taken. It might be a blow to your e-peen to see a lot of your WSs used to just strip stoneskin off mobs. Remember to pull 2 or more Trolls at once so you don't take too long on the longer pulls to maintain a chain.

You have to work slightly harder at this camp and sometimes might lose chain due to Diamondhide spam at a bad moment, and remember whatever you do make sure to dispel the RDMs!

Someone correct me if I remember wrong here, but isn't Diamondhide damage absorbtion split between how many trolls it lands on also?

Castle Oztroja [S]
Most certainly viable, also works rather well in a low-man group due to Yagudos low defense and hp. Two DDs buffer and healer can with just four of them exp rather well off these mobs. I occasionally do this when I just want to fool around and have some fun with friends. It works in a 6man group as well obviously and is pretty mistake-friendly.

A bonus, or grievance if you so wish, is to laugh at people's gear being stripped of at unfortunate moments.

Grauberg [S]
Ajattaras are decently squishy and also a slightly diffrent camp to be at, they are basically slightly squisher Skoffins. While you wont see omgwtf 25k+ numbers here it is decently fun place to go to (I really recommend a SCH/WHM here since otherwise these mobs can really slow you down due to Dread Shriek spam).

There is also a chance to pop and kill Scitalis for a Saurian Helm a few extra gil in your pocket which isn't half bad.

Also the camp is a few steps away from the Besieged Fort so easy to access as well.

[Max™]

Not a gaming nazi, but I never viewed meriting or XP in general as a particularly enjoyable aspect of the game; ergo, you could say that I derive the most "enjoyment" from meriting by making it as efficient as possible.

And to not totally digress, I'd like to give the Orcs in La Vaule [S] a go despite higher DEF / innate countering / etc. At least it is pretty much impossible to run out of mobs...

Meriting is stressful, I'm voking every link I can, juggling JA's, watching for split second SC possibilities, juggling hasso/1 min te vs seigan/te, lining up mobs, running around... if I'm doing it, it's 2 buffers or more, 3 good melees, a heal/hastebitch of some sort, and it's going to be non-prime time.

Otherwise I'd rather go have fun fucking around with the random stress free chaos of Campaign.

Much slower exp/hour, but it's actually fun, and I don't feel bad if I'm not absolutely on top of my game, because it's only hurting my exp/hr.

The first thing I saw when got up to the top of Grauberg was me eating endless fang rushes, cause fucking wyverns ALWAYS nail me with that shit...

I mentally noted another spot but I gotta think where the hell it was now.

[Loziel]

Grauberg [S]
Ajattaras are decently squishy and also a slightly diffrent camp to be at, they are basically slightly squisher Skoffins. While you wont see omgwtf 25k+ numbers here it is decently fun place to go to (I really recommend a SCH/WHM here since otherwise these mobs can really slow you down due to Dread Shriek spam).

There is also a chance to pop and kill Scitalis for a Saurian Helm a few extra gil in your pocket which isn't half bad.

Also the camp is a few steps away from the Besieged Fort so easy to access as well.

Mate you are smoking crack, Ajattaras up there rape compared to Scoffins from my experience. Its a nice setting for a change but they hit harder and faster. There also seems to be some weird condition where they pop a different colour and sometimes they will all be VT, sometimes all IT. Its very odd there.

[Liquidedust]

Mate you are smoking crack, Ajattaras up there rape compared to Scoffins from my experience. Its a nice setting for a change but they hit harder and faster. There also seems to be some weird condition where they pop a different colour and sometimes they will all be VT, sometimes all IT. Its very odd there.

Hey done them a few times and they weren't too bad in my experience, its a nice change of pace from regular camps and fooling around with as well. Its not excellent top of the line exp, but had quite a nice time

(note btw Loz and I are friends before someone jump on his language)

[Soa]

I used to merit in Mamook a lot and you could pull around 20-25k there. The biggest problem I found with it is repop timer and a chunk of the mobs only being like level 76-78 so exp/kill was a bit low. Its a pretty quick walk to get to camp too and you could even fight your way there if you wanted. Its not as good as an empty bird camp or MMJSP but I guarantee noone will camp on top of you there.

Imps on Khim island aren't a bad option either but its better for a 72-73ish party than merits. There's a spot near the NW corner thats free of Flayers and has about 10 or so Imps that you can safely get to but you have to fight your way there. Bear in mind I haven't been to this spot in well over a year so things could be different now.