Sam info?

[Sephiroth_Owa 13]

Working on slowly lvling Sam when I have the time. And it's looking like the main part of my lvling is gonna be solo/duo due to the limited time I have to play.
So I'm wondering if Soboro would be worth the time to get it. I know the pros and cons of it and even had a Sam I staticed with that used it all the way to 75....now he was either retarded or didn't care but he was always not doing enough dmg or was doing too much and getting killed or me killed. (Was the Nin tank).
So looking for better Sams to get info off of...
If I got Soboro how long should I use it for?
Would be good for solo/duo?
Subs...I know for low lvl War....but Dnc (working on it currently), Thf, Drg and Rng (do ppl still sub it? lol)
And again limited play time so I don't do end game events now, prob toward the middle or end of year I can get back into doing end game.....but buyable gear and some tips of end game gears as well?
And not looking to start a Hagun drama...but is that worth it as well cause I hear a shit ton on both sides for that GK.
And thanks ahead of time for any info given. I'm really liking Sam thus far and don't want to suck at it.

[Zilong]

I used it from 50-75, wasn't even that big into hagun until my 6 hit build is fleshed out (which didn't happen until I got access to my usukane sune-ate and full STP merit at 75) though 6 hit build changes thing a bit since the erratic nature of soboro multihit along with low WS really puts Hagun in the advantage with 6 hit.

For solo/duo, I'd imagine if you don't mind killing EP-DC, the exp spread update has make it really easy to get exp off killing shit barely above TW. SAM/DNC would work really well to murder a bunch of EPs, especially with soboro, though the exp gain rate is only bearable for solo. Then again, I static'd to 75 from like 52, so take whatever I said with a grain of salt, since the effectiveness of soboro may not be what it is without the proper support.

[Zsky]

Everyone and their mom has/lvling sam nowadays (guilty here as well)

Just got sam75 for a couple months, tried out a friend's hagun for a while. Found that to be significant increase, since I already had good gear from nin & mnk.
Using Onimaru until ENM drops one, too cheap to shell out 3m.

I used soboro from lvls 50>65 until I got yukikaze, then switched to a high DMG gtk to use along with that. IMO, wasn't a big fan of that gtk once the dmg started to be lackluster, it was awesome @ lv50 still.

[Drex]

If you are going to solo/duo, you need to level /dnc and get a soboro. Soboro is the best solo weapon SAM has because the TP gain for /dnc is ridiculous.

Soboro is also your best DD weapon until Hagun, period. If you put big number syndrome aside and actually parse the numbers, Soboro wins against anything except HNMs. People saying the WS numbers are too gimp or whatever are gimping themselves, usually so they can sub THF and drop SA WSes to fap to.

People who switch from Soboro to anything but Hagun for XP/meriting/limbus/dynamis/salvage-except-gears-and-chariots/nyzul are gimping themselves, whether they realize it or not. SAM is one of very few jobs that gets one of their best weapon(s) as early as level 50, so take advantage of it.

[Rama]

Soboro is your strongest DoT weapon for a long time. Keep in mind, however, that it also increases mob TP very quickly as well. Switching off after Yukkikaze seems as good a point as any. Also note that with polearm skilled up you get Penta Thrust at 51, and it chews up colibri/puks.

/WAR is your bread and butter.
/DRG is nice 20-50 in combination with wyvern ear/back, attack bonus, and jump.
/THF post-60 if you have no confidence in your tank and/or healers.
/RNG can be nice on piercing-weak if you have archery already skilled and/or archery merits once you get Sidewinder, coupled with soboro.
/DNC is nice if your party is low on healing, particularly if you're building TP with soboro.

[Zsky]

People who switch from Soboro to anything but Hagun for XP/meriting/limbus/dynamis/salvage-except-gears-and-chariots/nyzul are gimping themselves, whether they realize it or not.

I've done plenty research SAM-wise, and I was led to believe that onimaru parsed little behind hagun, and that soboro wasn't ideal for meritpo.

If that isn't the case... please show concrete proof at least, because I only use soboro everytime I'm /dnc.

[ferigor]

in case you haven't read it:
rukenshin: SAM/DRG - Underestimated?

[Lahan]

I did not get my Soboro until I hit 75. By then I was too in love with the DMG of Ushikirimaru.
I wish I would have got Soboro AT 50 would have been hella fun I only really use it messing around on sam/rng anymore. there is a lot of talk about /war + Brutal DA messing with the Soboro multi hit proc rate. So I usaly just go sam/war and swing Ush, *ALMOST* have a five hit going on, but that is another story.

as for Hagun a LOT of people are totaly in love with that and I can push out some number higher that a Hagun sam with my Ush. the dmg on the hagun is just so low....

It is really a fun GK to solo mess around with though. IF you can get it go for it but don not kill your self trying to beg for a group to go get it or pay. Just see if a friend or two are going to go for it and tag along might get lucky and get one like I did

but remember what Rama said not only do you get a hella lot of TP, but so does the mob \
and Drex is righ /dnc os almost insane as a sub for any main that get a LOT of tp (pld/dnc joy, sam/dnc soboro)

[MillionDollarMan]

soboro really aint that great..At least to me. Had a party with 3 soboro sams 2 brds rdm.. Had a party with 3 polearm sams cor brd rdm.. polearm seemed to speed shit up..I did use Soboro on imps cause of amnesia..I don't know really. Soboro to me was a nice skill up weapon.

[Tsuko_Asura]

as for Hagun a LOT of people are totaly in love with that and I can push out some number higher that a Hagun sam with my Ush. the dmg on the hagun is just so low....

Saving 200 TP doesn't count, friend.

[Lahan]

Saving 200 TP doesn't count, friend.

I pop my ws's at 100 TP always unless I am gonna do a Sekkanoki.
75+43 str. store TP + 64

[Nefzen]

store TP + 64

Umm.... what

Also soboro till hagun unless you're /thf for some odd reason

[Tsuko_Asura]

I pop my ws's at 100 TP always unless I am gonna do a Sekkanoki.
75+43 str. store TP + 64

Then you're either lying, or you're meriting with naked people.

Hagun is largely superior to Ushi at 100% TP.

[Hyriu]

lol'd @ +64 STP

[Lahan]

I am doing neather how about you just give the poor guy your opinion on his original question like he asked. a lot of people don't have 3.3 mil to toss around for a weapon thats 7 less dmg than they can get for free with a little luck.

[Tsuko_Asura]

There's a difference between declaring that Hagun isn't worth the price-tag(which is a reasonable thing to say, I suppose) and telling someone looking for information that its inferior to a piece of shit weapon.

Moral of the story: Don't post in a thread about informing someone if you're going to misinform them.

[Lahan]

There's a difference between declaring that Hagun isn't worth the price-tag(which is a reasonable thing to say, I suppose) and telling someone looking for information that its inferior to a piece of shit weapon.

Moral of the story: Don't post in a thread about informing someone if you're going to misinform them.

LOL elitist's that have to always be right and can not take any other opinion on anything.

I think swinging for 200 a normal swing is better than 100.

[blev]

your ushi is not doing more dmg. you are simply "eyeballing" the dmg you do, and assuming that you are doing more. hagun @ 100tp will do more than ushi @ 100tp, because of the tp bonus.

just because you're a broke-ass and won't pay up to have the best AH weapon available, doesn't mean it isn't worth it. the ONLY great katana that can do similar numbers to hagun, other than amano or futusno, is onimaru. there have been numerous parses that show this, so stop trying to justify your bad decision.

@ OP, /dnc and /nin are your best choices for solo/duo. main reason being, with /dnc you can heal yourself, and with /nin you can avoid being hit if you know how to work your shadows. as for soboro, it's definitely worth getting. it's not the greatest weapon in the game, but i've solo'd quite a bit as sam/dnc with mine. as far as hagun goes, you already read my opinion directed toward Lahan.

edit: there's a difference between being an "elitest", and not knowing what the hell you're talking about Lahan. you, obviously, don't know what you're talking about. you don't do 2x the dmg per swing, which goes back to what i said about eyeballing shit. then again, you're probably one of those SAM who stack acc/atk and don't use any haste at all. or better yet, something tells me you use DOMARUUUUUUUUUUUU.

[Tsuko_Asura]

LOL elitist's that have to always be right and can not take any other opinion on anything.

I think swinging for 200 a normal swing is better than 100.

C&P

[Nefzen]

LOL elitist's that have to always be right and can not take any other opinion on anything.

I think swinging for 200 a normal swing is better than 100.

7 * 3 = 21, not 100