Authorities take Adolf Hitler and his young sisters from their parents

[altwight]

Ok so basically they took the kids away for 'no reason' but assured the parents it wasn't because of their names? Bullshit much? This would seriously piss me off if I were in the parent's position. LIke someone before said, anyone who is stupid enough to act upon someone just because of their name is an ignorant fuck.

They say it's not because of their names or anything but until they prove otherwise fuck this and screw anyone who says "they're raising their kids to be shot or killed" yea my name is Nicholas I guess I'm named from santa claus and all the little kids are going to whore over me am I right?

[pohibaba]

You're right, hate crimes are totally legal.

The idea of hate crimes is one of the most immoral ideas ever created by government. It's literally legislating thought.

[Norellicus]

The idea of hate crimes is one of the most immoral ideas ever created by government. It's literally legislating thought.

Yeah, trying to squelch ideals that sharply oppose our country's core belief that all men are created equal (and thus not to be put down by any other man) is so tyrannic.

[pohibaba]

Yeah, trying to squelch ideals that sharply oppose our country's core belief that all men are created equal (and thus not to be put down by any other man) is so tyrannic.

Yeah, because forcing everyone to have the same opinion is the definition of liberty.

[Kuya]

But don't we already limit what liberties we are allowed to enjoy and which we don't? Last time i checked, i don't have the liberty to shout bomb on an airplane.

[Norellicus]

The KKK has never been legislatively targeted for having an opinion, just for acting on it in ways that are disruptive to the rest of society to get their point across. Or are you saying burning churches and flogging people is simply a matter of free speech and expression of opinions and should thus be ignored?

[pohibaba]

I'm saying that they should be punished for flogging people and burning churches. They shouldn't have an extra punishment added on because of the reason they did it.

[Kuya]

Meh, i'll agree with pohibaba on this actually.

[Norellicus]

So someone who is accidentally killed due to negligence or misfortune should have their killer prosecuted at the same level as someone who willfully sets out to take another man's life?

[pohibaba]

So someone who is accidentally killed due to negligence or misfortune should have their killer prosecuted at the same level as someone who willfully sets out to take another man's life?

I don't understand how this relates to our discussion; could you give me an example of what your asking, or something?

[Norellicus]

I'm making the point that legal standing as it relates to sociological interaction is more than causation; intent is and always will be a relevant matter to the subject.

Unless I'm misunderstanding you, you seem to be saying the opposite, that causation is all there is, intent is never a relevant matter and should be discarded in any court of law.

Therefore, someone who takes another man's life by unwillful means is to be prosecuted on the same level as one who would perform the same act willfully and voluntarily.

I'm not passing judgment here or even trying to trap you, if we disagree on the matter then we disagree. Just trying to make sure I understand your position from another point of view.

[Valisk]

The kids can change their names when they become 18 anyway or become a ward of the court when they are of age to make a consious decision that they want a name change.

One things for certain, if they keep their names, they will win lots and lots of lawsuits.

Edit: Gov't should be able to regulate to a certain degree but I don't think so in this case. Now if someone wanted to name their daughter "Dick in my mouth" or "Coathanger abortion" then I think that's a problem. This is a touchy subject because people are going to complain/debate about who is in charge of deciding what is appropriate and what isn't.

[pohibaba]

No, that's not what I'm saying. My point is that if I kill you because you slept with my wife I should serve the same punishment as if I kill you because you're black. If it was my intent to kill you, and I do so, that's all that should matter.

Hate crime laws are an attack on liberty because if I killed you for being black I could potentially serve a longer sentence than if I killed you because you slept with my wife. Thus, we're literally legislating thought.

[TheShadyMan]

So someone who is accidentally killed due to negligence or misfortune should have their killer prosecuted at the same level as someone who willfully sets out to take another man's life?

I believe that's the difference between Manslaughter and Murder charges, isn't it?

[Norellicus]

No, that's not what I'm saying. My point is that if I kill you because you slept with my wife I should serve the same punishment as if I kill you because you're black. If it was my intent to kill you, and I do so, that's all that should matter.

Hate crime laws are an attack on liberty because if I killed you for being black I could potentially serve a longer sentence than if I killed you because you slept with my wife. Thus, we're literally legislating thought.

My mistake, thanks for clearing it up. In some ways I agree, but at the same time I still think letting such motives slide is a slap in the face to the ideal that we are all to be treated as equals. I'm not sure how I'd go about rectifying that problem, though, too big a problem for my brain.

TSM: That would be the point I was making. We distinguish between them now, I thought pohi believed that this should not be the case and it would all boil down to the result of the event in question, not the intent or causality leading to it.

[Xiona]

The kids can change their names when they become 18 anyway or become a ward of the court when they are of age to make a consious decision that they want a name change.

One things for certain, if they keep their names, they will win lots and lots of lawsuits.

Edit: Gov't should be able to regulate to a certain degree but I don't think so in this case. Now if someone wanted to name their daughter "Dick in my mouth" or "Coathanger abortion" then I think that's a problem. This is a touchy subject because people are going to complain/debate about who is in charge of deciding what is appropriate and what isn't.

uhh it costs money that im sure they wont have to get a name change at 18. honestly do kids really need an ADDED source for ridicule when growing up? honestly i thought raising children was to have their best interest in mind.

just reinforces my yearning for testing to get procreation licenses. you need to show some level of competency for everything else you want to do, i dont see how this is any different. i wasnt born knowing how to fix a car, except with cars there are easy ways to fix mistakes when i screw up fixing it. There is so much responsibility involved in shaping the development of a person, why are we chancing that to people who cant even make smart decisions for themselves.

[Kiro]

It costs money to change your name? :< How much?

[Xiona]

theres lawyers fee's and such plus you need to go to court

[ZarakiKujata]

It costs money to change your name? :< How much?

I only had to pay some minor court fees when I had a change made to my name

[Kiro]

I only had to pay some minor court fees when I had a change made to my name

So if I wanted to change my name to Snaggletooth Weaboo I have to pay court fees and shit? That's lame. With a name like that they should pay ME.