The best interview in the universe

[ertyu]

Oh! I'll just go right out and buy an old copy of Radiant SIlvergun Maddox, let me just get right fucking on that.

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OWAIT

Fucking idiot, opinionated asshole.

[Charismatic]

You aren't hardcore enough ertyu

[Elcura]

It's not even just the bad games, it's also the good games that are made worse by pointless, yet mandatory motion sensing features. Like in zelda TP you have to waggle to do a basic sword swing. There are no customizable controls, and no option to use a gamecube controller(why??).

Because producers can be fucking retarded and INSIST that you use motion controls only. Even if a really great (or customizable) control scheme can be achieved, it often won't be realized because of arbitrary restrictions placed on producers.

I remember one shmup game (not FPS) where you had to aim at the fucking screen and point to move the fucking ship and then point at the thing you wanted to shoot. I asked, "why can't we just use the analog stick on the nun-chuck to control the ship" and someone replied, "because the producers want all the games to use motion sensing with minimal button pressing."

Half the games could have been so much better if they weren't stubborn about it.

[Kohan]

Oh! I'll just get right to downloading Radiant SIlvergun

Problem solved.

[Priran]

Wat at the picture

that's what happened when I got to

The Wii is the best thing to happen to gaming since the original NES.

[arus2001]

I must've missed the RPG era of console gaming. Sure, FFVII popularized the genre a bit, but it's not like we're tripping over them like sports or FPS titles. Figure we probably get 2-3 decent RPGs a year if we're lucky?

[Maxxthepenguin]

I must've missed the RPG era of console gaming. Sure, FFVII popularized the genre a bit, but it's not like we're tripping over them like sports or FPS titles. Figure we probably get 2-3 decent RPGs a year if we're lucky?

Though at no point have RPGs been as stupidly huge in the west as FPS/TPSes are now, they have had many eras of prominence. I mean, two of the best selling game series of all time are straight up turn based (for the most part) RPGs: FF and Pokemon. World of Warcraft is an RPG, and it has a stranglehold on all of PC gaming.

[arus2001]

Part of me's torn on embracing MMOs as RPGs in the sense of what I grew up playing.

[Vandalhart]

To BRP:

Basically, what Maddox is saying is that there is no diversity in the variety of games that the "hardcore gamer" plays. They follow the same equation at nausium to produce the same results. The reason he recommends an old Saturn game is because it may have an innovative system in there (I'm not sure as I haven't played it).


I don't see how you are trying to say the Wii isn't innovative. So just because the other systems can do it also, it's not innovative? The Wii has brought new concepts to the table when it comes to playing video games. Some of them aren't that new admittedly. The Wii-Mote itself is just an updated modern version of the Power Glove, and the Wii-Fit balance board is the same as that old Track N Field pad you had to run on.

Nintendo is opening the gaming market to new people, and they are moving in a different direction compared to M$ and Sony. I think it's an interesting idea. It also seems as if they are trying to show responsibility in keeping their players healthy and playing longer.

[Takedown3]

i'm a hardcore gamer

playing right now: gears2, left4dead, last remnant, final fantasy 3 DS, chono trigger DS, brain age 2, shaun white's snowboarding, skate1 (2 in 48 hours)

games in my gaming closet: gears1, COD4, COD:WAW, ghost recon, command and conquer 3, star wars unleashed, fable 2, fable, and thats all i can remember from memory

definitely hardcore gamer DEFINITELY HADRCREO

[Alleya]

People still think Maddoxx isn't pure satire?

[BRP]

To BRP:

Basically, what Maddox is saying is that there is no diversity in the variety of games that the "hardcore gamer" plays. They follow the same equation at nausium to produce the same results. The reason he recommends an old Saturn game is because it may have an innovative system in there (I'm not sure as I haven't played it).

Actually he is saying hardcore gamers who play PS3 and Xbox360 are not hardcore gamers because those consoles only have non-hardcore games(which would be EVERYTHING that's not Halo or Madden). It is pretty funny because what it implies is so stupid. He later goes on to suggest what hardcore gamers should play. None of which are on the PS3 or Xbox360 of course... well that's if you pretend the Katamari series has only been on the PS2.

You haven't really conflicted me here, just repeated him while misinterpreting a little.

I don't see how you are trying to say the Wii isn't innovative. So just because the other systems can do it also, it's not innovative? The Wii has brought new concepts to the table when it comes to playing video games. Some of them aren't that new admittedly. The Wii-Mote itself is just an updated modern version of the Power Glove, and the Wii-Fit balance board is the same as that old Track N Field pad you had to run on.

Nintendo is opening the gaming market to new people, and they are moving in a different direction compared to M$ and Sony. I think it's an interesting idea. It also seems as if they are trying to show responsibility in keeping their players healthy and playing longer.

INNOVATIVE INNOVATIVE INNOVATIVE

I've already said why I don't think the Wii is INNOVATIVE and actually feel it's more of the same with a new marketing spin. Maybe you should explain why it is. BUT you must do this without using a bullshit buzzword like INNOVATION and you can't say "new concepts!" without imply what exactly those might be.


EDIT: Maddox doesn't seem to be playing his satire personality in this interview. If he is, that would explain some of the more outrageous parts(to which I'd admit I've been trolled.)

[Priran]

I don't see how you are trying to say the Wii isn't innovative. So just because the other systems can do it also, it's not innovative? The Wii has brought new concepts to the table when it comes to playing video games. Some of them aren't that new admittedly. The Wii-Mote itself is just an updated modern version of the Power Glove, and the Wii-Fit balance board is the same as that old Track N Field pad you had to run on.

Nintendo is opening the gaming market to new people, and they are moving in a different direction compared to M$ and Sony. I think it's an interesting idea. It also seems as if they are trying to show responsibility in keeping their players healthy and playing longer.

creating tech demos for half-assed technologies isn't innovative, it's shovelware with a show. real innovation doesn't come simply from reaching a large user base, it comes from reaching the right user base. the PS2 had an install base of 100+ million gamers and consequently encouraged actual innovation, becoming the console of choice for indie japanese developers and for high-concept artsy games like Ico, Shadow of the Colossus, Katamari Damacy, and God Hand. the Wii has an install base of almost 40 million geriatrics and yuppies who get together on the weekends for Wii parties, and has encouraged the growth of kiddy shit like Cooking Mama, Ubisoft's Imagine series, and SHIT THAT IS NOT GAMES like fucking WiiMusic.

The Wii is likely the greatest thing to happen to Nintendo since the original NES, but their business model is fucking toxic to gaming.

[BRP]

http://img299.imageshack.us/img299/2...9715941ki6.jpg

Excuse me, did you just imply Imagine Party Babies is not better than Godhand?

[zoobernut]

creating tech demos for half-assed technologies isn't innovative, it's shovelware with a show. real innovation doesn't come simply from reaching a large user base, it comes from reaching the right user base. the PS2 had an install base of 100+ million gamers and consequently encouraged actual innovation, becoming the console of choice for indie japanese developers and for high-concept artsy games like Ico, Shadow of the Colossus, Katamari Damacy, and God Hand. the Wii has an install base of almost 40 million geriatrics and yuppies who get together on the weekends for Wii parties, and has encouraged the growth of kiddy shit like Cooking Mama, Ubisoft's Imagine series, and SHIT THAT IS NOT GAMES like fucking WiiMusic.

The Wii is likely the greatest thing to happen to Nintendo since the original NES, but their business model is fucking toxic to gaming.

Reading this you just sound like a butthurt gamer who is sad because gaming is popular. "But waaaa I liked gaming back when it wasn't popular and people made fun of me waaa"

Just because you do not consider something a game does not make it true. The scope of video games is broadening fast and the player base of games is growing just as fast because there is such a wide variety. Now if you don't like those games or they are not for you fine. But you cannot cut the arms and legs of the game industry and pretend it was always a quadriplegic just because you don't like it having those other appendages.

I do agree that the Innovative-ness of the Wii is very exaggerated but that does not take away from the other accomplishments that it has done. The video game industry is about making money and getting as many people to play games as possible, it is about creating entertaining experiences while doing that. The video game industry itself is not nearly as elitist or weird about broadening its horizons as the "hardcore" gamers.

[Priran]

http://img443.imageshack.us/img443/4...8039500pb6.jpg

this is my IGN face

I put it on when I read IGN

[BRP]

Zoob, that's not much of an argument really. You are just attacking a strawman and then go on to partially agree with his actual opinion. And your you might have somehow missed your own strawman too... he even mentions the PS2 being more popular and dominant than the Wii so that first blunt-impression-insult fails to actually mock him.

[Priran]

Reading this you just sound like a butthurt gamer who is sad because gaming is popular. "But waaaa I liked gaming back when it wasn't popular and people made fun of me waaa"

Just because you do not consider something a game does not make it true. The scope of video games is broadening fast and the player base of games is growing just as fast because there is such a wide variety. Now if you don't like those games or they are not for you fine. But you cannot cut the arms and legs of the game industry and pretend it was always a quadriplegic just because you don't like it having those other appendages.

I do agree that the Innovative-ness of the Wii is very exaggerated but that does not take away from the other accomplishments that it has done. The video game industry is about making money and getting as many people to play games as possible, it is about creating entertaining experiences while doing that. The video game industry itself is not nearly as elitist or weird about broadening its horizons as the "hardcore" gamers.

why does it always come back to making money when you talk to nintendrones? guess what? nintendo isn't using the money they're making from shovelware and Wii Gimmick Device #Umpteen to fund the creation of new innovative games, they using it to fuck bitches and run laughing all the way to the bank. And when that money's gone, you can be sure they're not even going to bother making expensive blockbuster titles when they could make 5 shovelware titles in half the time and rake in twice as much money. no joke making more money is good for the industry, but that doesn't matter to me because I'm not a fucking shareholder. The Wii business model will kill gaming as an artform, and I'm inclined to be pissed when one of my hobbies is swirling around the bowl.

and what rock have you been living under for over 10 years? gaming's popularity isn't new, it's been popular since before the Wii even existed. furthermore, I can't stand nostalgia goggles, and I enjoy hardcore and casual games of pretty much every genre except RTS, so don't try to make this about me.

[zoobernut]

How will the Wii business model kill gaming as an artform? No matter how much the Wii changes main stream gaming there will always be the fringe people who make games for the sake of it being art.

The game industry is still relatively young as an art form. When movies went mainstream and became incredibly popular and big it did not ruin movies and it did not stop people from making innovative unusual movies that you can appreciate for being artistic.

[Kohan]

Excuse me, did you just imply Imagine Party Babies is not better than Godhand?

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