SE's stance on Holding a HNM?

[Syntex]

What is their current stance on this?

lets give an example,.. Say maintenance stops an hour early and you just try logging in, you log in to find King behemoth up and unclaimed and say its you(some healer type class) and a PLD/NIN there with the rest of your shell in DA or anywhere but BD.

You claim and stall as you see other shells logging in until help arrives to kill it.

At what point would it be considered holding? Is it even considered holding anymore? I would think with the addition of enrage timers that you basically have until that time to kill them but is this how the GM's see it or will they still take action on you if your holding it in this situation?

[Cream Soda]

Doesn't matter GM won't just jail you. They will come on and let you know that you are holding and need to deal damage or hand it over. Then at that point, if your people aren't there yet, you just hand it over, with no penalty.

This is assuming you don't have a pretty shitty track record with GMs.

[Syntex]

Doesn't matter GM won't just jail you. They will come on and let you know that you are holding and need to deal damage or hand it over. Then at that point, if your people aren't there yet, you just hand it over, with no penalty.

This is assuming you don't have a pretty shitty track record with GMs.

Reminds me of a GM telling a ninja tank on cerb to equip a weapon that does more damage to kill it faster >.>

[Kerberoz]

GM won't do anything ever in any circumstance. They'll show up and ask the people holding to do some damage, then go away. Bio 2 counts as damage, even if the mob regens faster than 8/tick. A single resisted nuke counts as damage in a GM's eyes.

[rog]

you log in to find King behemoth up and unclaimed

it wouldn't matter, because there'd probably be an emergancy maint before you gathered.

I would think with the addition of enrage timers that you basically have until that time to kill them but is this how the GM's see it or will they still take action on you if your holding it in this situation?

gms aren't allowed to do anything about holding any mob that rages. you could hold it for a week straight, as long as you could stay alive, you can hold it as long as you want, and gms aren't allowed to interfere.

for mobs that do not rage, it depends on why, how long you're holding, and most importantly which gm you get. some won't care if you just cast bio. for other gms you can use dots, and even be slowly getting its hp down, and they'll still make you kill faster/leave (though i'm sure that wouldn't be too hard to argue your way out of...). some gms will allow you to hold it for a reasonable amount of time, to give your group time to gather and prepare to fight it, but if they think you're just holding it, and not trying to prepare to fight it, or if you're taking excessively long, then they'll step in.

basically, it depends almost entirely on the gm you get, but most won't do anything except maybe tell them to attack it, and then leave after they cast bio/stone/etc.

[Hex]

Gms won't get involved with anything that has a rage timer. However something like Cerb, Khim they will get involved in. It's relevant to size of the alliance fighting the NM vs Damage dealt. We had a GM called on us at a Khim a couple months ago. He instructed us that we had 30 minutes to show considerably more damage or we'd be forced to give the NM up.

Sadly tho it doesn't take much to do enough damage for a GM. Also you have to have enough ppl standing by ready to kill the NM being held or GMs won't care. I know on Ixion they deemed 1 PLD and 1 RNG was enough damage dealt to not be considered holding. Fun 7 hours that was.

[Syntex]

Gms won't get involved with anything that has a rage timer. However something like Cerb, Khim they will get involved in. It's relevant to size of the alliance fighting the NM vs Damage dealt. We had a GM called on us at a Khim a couple months ago. He instructed us that we had 30 minutes to show considerably more damage or we'd be forced to give the NM up.

Sadly tho it doesn't take much to do enough damage for a GM. Also you have to have enough ppl standing by ready to kill the NM being held or GMs won't care. I know on Ixion they deemed 1 PLD and 1 RNG was enough damage dealt to not be considered holding. Fun 7 hours that was.

Is this even possible? I would think a PLD even with /nin sub would need more support in order to kill that thing and the RNG would run out of ammo.

[Nahiatsu]

Also stating to a GM that you have people from your LS on the way to damage said HNM (Cerb, Khim, Ixion, Tiamat, anything without a rage timer, I assume we're talking) will get a GM off your back in most cases. I've had quite a few GM that end their concern when I told them that people were on the way; That being said, each GM has their own opinion on how things should be done I guess and will continue to watch to see if/when people show up to make sure damage is done.

Like others in the thread said, it doesn't take much to show a GM you're doing damage. Some bio, one DD running in and hitting it here and there, ect.

I'm fairly certain that GMs see holding as a fair tactic for endgame when it comes to not forcing 30+ people to sit at 24-72 hour long camps, because in most cases, the reason a GM is called for "holding" is because someone got outclaimed and they're just bitter about it.

Hope that helps at all.

[Kumbai]

They will do very little other than ask you to do some form of damage. Not sure on ragable mobs though. I very much doubt they'd jail/warp you out, more likely let things run thier course, then act afterwards (if you raged it just to spite people/stall etc.)

[Tricen]

Chances of you logging in after a maint to see a KB up is 0% chance.

[Syntex]

Chances of you logging in after a maint to see a KB up is 0% chance.

Rare as hell but has happened.

Also this situation can apply to a lot of other similar situations such as 2-3 people getting ToD on fafnir and he flails the 1 shell killing him they claim after they wipe while the rest of the shell sits in Vally of sorrows or something.

[Asdrabael]

Rare as hell but has happened.

No it hasn't.

[Baelorn]

Holding policies are bullshit because it is such a gray area. They only care if you intend to kill the monster. If they think you're holding it to keep it in a certain time frame then they will make you let it go(this is hard to prove). If you're damaging it or if you say people are on the way then there's not much they can do.

[Tricen]

Rare as hell but has happened.

Also this situation can apply to a lot of other similar situations such as 2-3 people getting ToD on fafnir and he flails the 1 shell killing him they claim after they wipe while the rest of the shell sits in Vally of sorrows or something.

Has never happened. No one has ever posted any proof ever. It's all "but my friend sed they saw it"

[Mizango]

Reminds me of a GM telling a ninja tank on cerb to equip a weapon that does more damage to kill it faster >.>

My kind of GM.

"Greeting nab, upgrade or gtfo of zone"

[Syntex]

My kind of GM.

"Greeting nab, upgrade or gtfo of zone"

he was using an earth staff >.>

EDIT: Saw a pic on the killing ifrit screenshot forum of a galka paladin logging in from maintenance in BD to see KB up unclaimed, was like one other person behind him a mage or something.

I don't see how its "not possible" for a HNM to pop after maintenance in first window? Or can't it pop first window after a maintenance

[Drunkenmonk]

he was using an earth staff >.>

EDIT: Saw a pic on the killing ifrit screenshot forum of a galka paladin logging in from maintenance in BD to see KB up unclaimed, was like one other person behind him a mage or something.

I don't see how its "not possible" for a HNM to pop after maintenance in first window? Or can't it pop first window after a maintenance

after maint is day 3, HQs cant pop on day 3, basically poidh with multilpe witnesses or hes full of shit

[Aragon of Odin]

^ This.

Also you can go and find many unclaimed KB's in the media section here. KB isn't camped all the time on every server so there's the chance he just went there and found it up. Proof it was after maintenance, use /clock in the pic so people can reference the day.

Fact of the matter is if it could pop after maintenance it would happen many many many times and there'd be solid proof of it.

[Likos]

GM's won't do anything if an LS is holding something that rages.

They'll tell you that the game already has measures against holding that mob for a certain amount of time, they know it can be frustrating that an LS is holding an NM, they're sorry for any inconvenience, and are curious as to whether there is anything else they can assist you with?

For mobs that don't rage, chances are by the time you get them to answer your call, 30 mins to 2 hrs later, the offending LS has already gathered an army to take it down.

[chazzyphizzle]

Someone sounds bitter.