SE's stance on Holding a HNM?

[Jhun]

This was a year or so ago.



He never responded after that.

Same fucking GM who told me to zone Tiamat 2 years ago (maybe more).
I'm gonna look for the SS and the convo SS with a senior gay GM who told me "yes it's possibile to zone Tiamat"

[Asgon]

What is their current stance on this?

lets give an example,.. Say maintenance stops an hour early and you just try logging in, you log in to find King behemoth up and unclaimed and say its you(some healer type class) and a PLD/NIN there with the rest of your shell in DA or anywhere but BD.

You claim and stall as you see other shells logging in until help arrives to kill it.

At what point would it be considered holding? Is it even considered holding anymore? I would think with the addition of enrage timers that you basically have until that time to kill them but is this how the GM's see it or will they still take action on you if your holding it in this situation?

As long as you are dealing damage to the HNM, it is not considered holding.

[Valor]

As long as you are either damaging or obviously gathering people, it should not be considered holding. What it really comes down to, though, is who you get. GM's can do pretty much whatever they want and there is not any sort of grievance process if they are inconsistent. After reading through this and many other GM type threads I can only conclude that there are few if any set-in-stone rules.