Goliard Clogs Vs Advocat Pigaches

[Valdan]

Trying to decide if my Goliard Clogs or Advocat Pigaches would be better for landing enfeebles as 75rdm on mobs higher than lvl 75. Please help me out with some info. Goliard have +4INT +4MND +2MAGACC and Advocat have +3Enfeebling Magic Skill. The type mobs im thinking is SKY NM, Sea NM, O/U Limbus, ect. Thanks for the insight

[Celebrindor]

depends on where your enfeebling falls in the spectrum.

RDM with 300 skill? might go for the avocat.

RDM with 320 skill? no question the goliard.

BLM with sub-300 skill? probably going goliard here. I've found macc to be more beneficial in this range than the 300+ range. Just personal observation, could be complete voodoo on that last comment, but its what I've observed.

But the point stands that on difficult to land enfeebling mobs (outside of those in sky- too unpredictable- and others that might be immune), if you can't get 320+, get more skill. After that I aim for potency, and in a slot that I'm not accustomed to put +enfeebling skill, goliard is a great utility piece.

[Dammerung]

Goliard

[Kurt Cobain]

Avocat

[Keria]

goliard imo

[Demosthenes11]

as a rdm with EVERYTHING just about, I don't even want avocat

Goliard

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If I recall, once you hit a certain amount of skill (which isn't hard at all on RDM), Magic Accuracy starts to become better, not to mention INT helps too.

Avocat Pigaches=2.7 Magic Accuracy.
Goliard Clogs=4 Magic Accuracy.

Even at lower skill Goliard Clogs are still 1 magic accuracy higher. Go with Goliard.

[jimbobsonofgod]

i use avocats






to idle in .


that's it.

[Valdan]

Where do u get this info about +3 Enfeeb skill is 2.9magacc? Obviously there is some sort of formula. If you could give me this formula or however you obtained this info that would be awesome.

[Kerberoz]

Goliard, not only better in most situations but saves an inventory slot.

[Kaeko]

I agree with Kerb.

They are essentially going to be equal but you get more dual use out of Goliard and can save inventory.

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Where do u get this info about +3 Enfeeb skill is 2.9magacc? Obviously there is some sort of formula. If you could give me this formula or however you obtained this info that would be awesome.

Edited my post because it would actually be 2.7 Magic Accuracy.

http://www.bluegartr.com/forum/ffxi-...o-serious.html

I have no data to support this, but I've always treated magic accuracy the way I treat melee accuracy, 1 Skill = .9 Macc. One of these days it'd be nice if someone could run some conclusive tests on the subject, but until then, following the above has never steered me wrong.

There are some other posts in that topic, it's not 100% positive, but I believe testing has been done to show that magic accuracy is better.

[Suiram]

Whenever you see "I have no data to support this" you should read it as "this is probably not in the least bit true, but if it is I guess I'm lucky". My own opinion on "1 skill = 0.9 Macc" comes later in that thread.

[Kaeko]

The unbearable triteness of preening: On magic resist rates

I would personally consider 1 skill to be the same as 1 MACC at this point given that this is the only testing that has enough statistics to really back up anything it says.

[Indalecia]

Goliard

Useful for all the jobs its on, saves inventory space, and fucking look good.

[Kaeko]

I just read some of the guy's new posts. He actually disproves the 0.9 above 200 skill thing everyone always talks about.

Given that he/lodeguy uses 95% confidence intervals, I think it's pretty safe to say that the 1 skill = 0.9 MACC above 200 skill is FALSE.

The unbearable triteness of preening: Give me data or give me...

I feel like there's so much bad information out there on this topic, including on BG - makes me wonder why this guy's testing/blog hasn't become popular/widespread considering the depth of his posts.

EDIT: goliard is better probably from a pure performance standpoint. It'll also save you inventory as mentioned earlier

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Ah well, Goliard are still better!

[Suiram]

I love this robonosto guy. I didn't realize he'd added more stuff, either.

As a competitor to elemental staves, Alkalurops seems to be maligned from an accuracy standpoint because it's assumed that its "effective" accuracy (comprised of contributions from INT/MND/CHR +10 and magic accuracy +20) is worse than that of a HQ elemental staff, usually because it is assumed that staves provide a multiplicative accuracy bonus (in the absence of any real evidence).

(emphasis his)

He put here so well a point I feel I've tried unsuccessfully to make over and over again when this topic has come up. And then follows it with a thorough analysis comparing the two. (the data is pchan's from here, though)

[Mural725]

I love this robonosto guy. I didn't realize he'd added more stuff, either.


(emphasis his)

He put here so well a point I feel I've tried unsuccessfully to make over and over again when this topic has come up. And then follows it with a thorough analysis comparing the two. (the data is pchan's from here, though)

Could you perhaps explain what he meant? I am a bit confused o.o

[Alistaire]

Goliard by far. Oh, and the grammar nazi in me says it's Avocat Pigaches not Advocat.