LM-17

[baralai80]

not sure if anyone posted this but polish tamales on pet food alpha posted this from a pol rep

SE POL Melanie R: A separate department maintains the beta community sites and that appropriate action will be dealt with accordingly.

SE POL Melanie R: But again if they have been told the account is banned it is banned and access will not be restored.

[yunie]

If there was a bug introduced today, where you can NPC insect wings for 10k each, would you go out and farm insect wings all day?

Let's be honest here.

[PersianTaru]

If there was a bug introduced today, where you can NPC insect wings for 10k each, would you go out and farm insect wings all day?

Let's be honest here.

Like I said, when the bug was used to obtain massive amounts of gil from duping Sandworm + BCNM's etc, it felt like cheating. But when it was used in salvage it didnt even feel like I was doing anything wrong. Salvage mechanics were horrible. I have a respect for game mechanics, and I hate cheating but it just did not feel like cheating. You spend 18 hours a week doing assaults and nightly salvages and get nothing for long periods of time, and then when something drops only 1 person is rewarded. SE even admitted and said they are fixing drop rates on certain NM's so why would they be so unforgiving here. and my point in my last post was that theyve established with their community that there is no REAL TOS, just a fake one for show till recently. Feels kinda like entrapment. But whatever

[yunie]

My point was casual Salvage goers/those who don't do Salvage come here and laugh at people for duping the drops, without really knowing what we went through. That's why I used the insect wing example.

I recently became 4/5 Usukane and I've yet to see a single Usukane body drop in the 2 years I've done Salvage.

[arshesney]

and my point in my last post was that theyve established with their community that there is no REAL TOS, just a fake one for show till recently.

Half of the booklet is the "Terms of Service", at least on the 360 version.

[Melios]

You had plenty of chances to bring up Salvage issue with SE in the past two years.

[Enedin]

I honestly think SE will up Salvage drop rates at some point in the near future now.

[PersianTaru]

My point was casual Salvage goers/those who don't do Salvage come here and laugh at people for duping the drops, without really knowing what we went through. That's why I used the insect wing example.

I recently became 4/5 Usukane and I've yet to see a single Usukane body drop in the 2 years I've done Salvage.

oh, right. I dont like how people are hated for "cheating". I hate that people cheat but I was sad to see some of the most annoying people(Minidragon) get banned, because people like him added to the game's diversity which made it interesting.

[yunie]

Have you ever tried bringing any issue up with SE? It takes them years to do anything about anything.

[Stanislav]

sry dead game, only about 17 people left playing and none of them know how to kill fafnir

I know how to kill fafnir and I am still here =(

[Darrien]

Stan is still here he can solo Fafnir! lol and no I'm not serious.

[yunie]

Btw, isn't the logout trick to pop first floor frog @ Zhayolm considered an exploit as well?

I'm sure SE didn't intend to have everyone but one to logout to pop the frog.

[Melios]

Have you ever tried bringing any issue up with SE? It takes them years to do anything about anything.

No, but I would think people would at least consider Salvage drop rate issues more important than a certain Aern NM that no would shut up about for the past year.

[BRP]

Btw, isn't the logout trick to pop first floor frog @ Zhayolm considered an exploit as well?

I'm sure SE didn't intend to have everyone but one to logout to pop the frog.

SE hates duping, not exploits. Exploits are not cheating until a policing force says it is. Many games, especially fighters, embrace exploits because they can add depth. An exploit can sometimes be seen as playing smart, nothing else.

[Ohaigaiz]

i heard se read this thread

[Kerberoz]

Logging out is not an exploit. Are you supposed to die to every aggro instead of zoning it, too? Of course not.

[Bagel]

i heard se read this thread

At the rate SE does things, they'll get to page 10 sometime next week.

[Ohaigaiz]

At the rate SE does things, they'll get to page 10 sometime next week.

or they'll see op, laugh and say you'll be back

[Ahlah]

This is the week I will probably never forget.

http://i213.photobucket.com/albums/c...124_011112.png

Our second Usukane body, dropped in the week when SE decide to mass ban ppl. Ysukie if you didn't leave us it could have been yours.
Please if you get perma banned start a petition, not going to cost anything and worth a try.

[yunie]

Logging out is not an exploit. Are you supposed to die to every aggro instead of zoning it, too? Of course not.

Logging out isn't an exploit.

The requirement for first floor frog to pop is to clear a wing without using a single cell. Players have found a way around this by using the cells, and simply logging everyone but one locked person out.

The first floor frog shouldn't pop at all the second a person uses a cell.