LM-17

[yunie]

...seriously

Yes, people find out about it, and they took advantage of it, and abused it, against those that obtained it legally. I know a handful of people that spent over a year obtaining these salvage gears, legally, and the exploit was pretty much a slap in their face and all the hard work.

If the glitch was known to everyone, then it would've been patched up way sooner. However, it was a well kept secret among a lot of people.

all in all, I feel better that we got them in a legit way after all.

The exploit isn't a slap in their face. In fact, the exploit doesn't make a difference in the legit player's life in any way (other than imp. wootz ingot prices). Only thing is they're jealous of how easily the cheaters got their gear compared to them.

I got my 4/5 Usukane without duping so don't look at me.

[Bregor]

The class-action lawsuit part was kinda serious

That's exactly why I posted.

[chiyio]

How do you know SE doesn't have a problem with it? Maybe they don't know about it, like the dupe glitch. The frog's charm glitch made things a lot more efficient, but SE fixed that and we're back to wasting more time, no?

SE reads these boards...they know about it.

[Ker]

Well for Bismarck
-Nin( disbanded) some joining other hnm ls in Bismarck or other servers
-Foreal rumors going around that Jhun buying new account and will keep shell from disbanding but of course it's a rumor but for now it's inactive since 20 are banned/perm
-Discoid uneffected at the momment but seems only 2 or 3 were perm banned while rest were temp

[Correction]

Read your post once.

Then read your post twice.

And then read my signature.

Nobody gives a shit what level your SCH is.

[Ker]

forgot to add what about Jackyl and niki LS are they disbanded? not from those servers

[Fiye]

You should try reading my post at least once.

I bet SE never would've banned if at least 50% of the population used the glitch.

Okay. Now then.

1. Thing is, no one hacked into anything to cause the glitch to happen.
   
   So, no third party tools were required to reproduce said glitch.
   
   
2. The glitch was available for ANYONE to take advantage.
   
   Agreed, as long as he or she knew how to reproduce said glitch.
   
   
3. The only difference here is it wasn't a widely known glitch for everyone to use.
   
   Which defeats your previous comment. It wasn't available to everyone because everyone kept their mouth shut about it. It was either transferred by word of mouth, or a leak on a board that got quickly deleted.
   
   
4. If the glitch was known to EVERYONE who did Salvage... I wonder what SE would have done?
   
   Possibly the same thing. However, you don't know what SE would have done. Would they have perma-banned more people? Or would they have decided to temp ban and remove their salvage gear?

Point is, people were banned, and the rest of the population is like "Jesus christ they banned people!"

So now we'll be less likely to exploit something. Because we don't want to end up banned.

[chiyio]

shinsei suck a dick you dont get to post here, youre a twat. And Fiye is a even bigger twat who doesnt need to be so serious. I told my mom I got banned and we had a good laugh about it, because its ridiculous. A 5year old member banned because I cheated once in a way that didnt affect anyone else. "I cheated" that alone made us laugh. SE is ridiculous and thats why I dont care, they ban us... bad for them.

Actually the actions taken by the glitch did affect others.

It gave SE a false impression of how many salvage pieces are in circulation.
It affected the number of Alexandrites in circulation, therefor making the Alexandrite requirement for a Mythic to be 30k instead of 10k or 20k.
Numerous people used the glitch in Sandworm, tripling any gil drops.


You cheated, you got caught, doesnt matter how long you've been playing for. Enjoy the jailsex.

[Sorantia]

The exploit isn't a slap in their face. In fact, the exploit doesn't make a difference in the legit player's life in any way (other than imp. wootz ingot prices). Only thing is they're jealous of how easily the cheaters got their gear compared to them.

I got my 4/5 Usukane without duping so don't look at me.

Oh, no no no no, of course not. I'm saying the people that abused it is a slap in the face of those who legally got the gears.

[Fiye]

Another bashing post.

I used the exploit for Usukane Body and Feet and now Im banned.

You got banned. And now you're bitching on BG with an account you last used on March. Yes, drop rates sucked. That's why I didn't do Salvage in the first place.

But guess what?

You cheated.

You got caught.

And you got banned.

I don't see what the point of bitching is on your side. I honestly don't see... really.

You knew you weren't supposed to use an exploit. But you were tempted. Tempted to take a bite into the forbidden fruit.

And thus you were thrust out of the gates of Eden. Onto the barren lands of Earth by an invisible force we call Sage Sundi.

I might be acting like a twat burger, but I'm sick and tired of the bitching.

You cheated.

You got caught.

And you got banned.

Can it be any clearer?

Edit: And yes, I'm targeting PersianTaru. Stop being be a twat.

[Sorantia]

^ ^ rating that 3/5 because I lol'd.

[EckoGecko]

Damn I love playing FFXI on friday nights, early into the morning.

Making my epeen bigger each day. YUSSS.

[PersianTaru]

Edit: And yes, I'm a twat.

I stopped reading what you said after the first 3 words, but I dont like your tone Lady. LOL

[Mazmaz]

You knew you weren't supposed to use an exploit. But you were tempted. Tempted to take a bite into the forbidden fruit.

And thus you were thrust out of the gates of Eden. Onto the barren lands of Earth by an invisible force we call Sage Sundi.

FFXI is Garden of Eden to you? Wow.

[Fiye]

I stopped reading what you said after the first 3 words, but I dont like your tone Lady. LOL

I call shenanigans on that. You read the whole thing, huh!?

[ArwynOfOdin]

I'm not sure if this has already been said in one way or another, but I'm not reading through 120+ pages to find out, so if it has, just consider it a reminder for those who missed this important point.

From what I did read, I notice some people who used the exploit are claiming that it did not adversely effect others, specifically because Salvage is instanced.

When SE designs a new event, such as Salvage, there are a variety factors that go into it such as event difficulty, time spent, rewards system, etc. In the design phase, SE does their best to implement a balance of these aspects that is as fair as possible. However, there's really no way for SE to know for certain that their original design implementation for new events or jobs is perfectly balanced which is why you see SE making a lot of 'tweak's over the years. They release something, watch it closely in the community for a while, taking inventory of numbers and what not, then adjust as needed to make it as fair and balanced as possible for all. Before people start pulling the "that's SE's problem for not adequately testing their product" card, you can't make that statement because events such as Salvage are meant to carry on over months/years at a time, most often in conjunction with other end game events, so using a pool of biased testers in a very short window won't really do much, and tweaks will be bound to happen regardless.

So now you take an event such as Salvage, with extremely questionably drop rates, and throw in an exploit such as this. When SE is taking inventory of total Salvage pieces completed for the sake of assuring the event is fair and balanced, how do you think essentially doubling/tripling drop rates is going to effect any necessary tweak to the Salvage system? From SE's perspective, it could appear the system is MORE than fine. I mean, just look. There's plenty of completed pieces going around, so from their angle, even if the drop rates are low, the system in general must be balanced if all these rewards are coming as a result. And thus, this leaves those who are NOT using the exploit, basically up shit's creek with a poor and unbalanced system that SE really can do nothing about because those abusing the exploit have SE fooled into thinking that the Salvage system is NOT broken.

So in short, what may have been a necessary game fix has been halted because of those abusing an exploit and hiding it from SE and the rest of the community. So in fact, not only did this adversely effect others, it significantly and adversely effected others.

[ronin sparthos]

How do you know SE doesn't have a problem with it? Maybe they don't know about it, like the dupe glitch. The frog's charm glitch made things a lot more efficient, but SE fixed that and we're back to wasting more time, no?

If SE had a problem with F1 Madame, it'd be fixed by now. No ones been hiding the "log off" strategy to spawn the frog so we can safely come to the conclusion that SE doesnt care.

The broken costume glitch was never covered up and SE took their sweet time patching it. It made things smoother but hardly interrupted game balance since everyone who fought a frog or vampyr would notice and have no choice but to deal with it.

Broken costumes falls under the category "woops, SE fucked up again" whereas being able to dupe items falls under "holy shit we arent supposed to this".

IMO I believe SE did NOT intend logout as a strategy and thus it's a bug. It's just how I see it.

I agree that SE did not intend for players to logout to pop Madame but SE doesnt intend for players to zone/dot monsters (many monsters can be killed like this), solo HNMs (genbu/seiryu/suzaku solos) or logout to avoid Astral Flows (apathy's PW) but it happens anyway. If they dont like it, they'll gladly add draw-in or rage timers in a patch.

[PersianTaru]

I'm not sure if this has already been said in one way or another, but I'm not reading through 120+ pages to find out, so if it has, just consider it a reminder for those who missed this important point.

From what I did read, I notice some people who used the exploit are claiming that it did not adversely effect others, specifically because Salvage is instanced.

When SE designs a new event, such as Salvage, there are a variety factors that go into it such as event difficulty, time spent, rewards system, etc. In the design phase, SE does their best to implement a balance of these aspects that is as fair as possible. However, there's really no way for SE to know for certain that their original design implementation for new events or jobs is perfectly balanced which is why you see SE making a lot of 'tweak's over the years. They release something, watch it closely in the community for a while, taking inventory of numbers and what not, then adjust as needed to make it as fair and balanced as possible for all. Before people start pulling the "that's SE's problem for not adequately testing their product" card, you can't make that statement because events such as Salvage are meant to carry on over months/years at a time, most often in conjunction with other end game events, so using a pool of biased testers in a very short window won't really do much, and tweaks will be bound to happen regardless.

So now you take an event such as Salvage, with extremely questionably drop rates, and throw in an exploit such as this. When SE is taking inventory of total Salvage pieces completed for the sake of assuring the event is fair and balanced, how do you think essentially doubling/tripling drop rates is going to effect any necessary tweak to the Salvage system? From SE's perspective, it could appear the system is MORE than fine. I mean, just look. There's plenty of completed pieces going around, so from their angle, even if the drop rates are low, the system in general must be balanced if all these rewards are coming as a result. And thus, this leaves those who are NOT using the exploit, basically up shit's creek with a poor and unbalanced system that SE really can do nothing about because those abusing the exploit have SE fooled into thinking that the Salvage system is NOT broken.

So in short, what may have been a necessary game fix has been halted because of those abusing an exploit and hiding it from SE and the rest of the community. So in fact, not only did this adversely effect others, it significantly and adversely effected others.

Blah blah blah blah blah. Dont forget that the exploit was used by a very few amount of people until very recently

[Genosync]

I call shenanigans on that. You read the whole thing, huh!?

If you're sick of the bitching, stop bothering to open up the thread--you won't have to listen to it anymore, nor will you continue to feel the need to yell back at people.

It'll make you a hell of a lot happier, that's for sure.

[ArwynOfOdin]

Blah blah blah blah blah. Dont forget that the exploit was used by a very few amount of people until very recently

Shouldn't you be out shopping for a new MMORPG by now?