LM-17

[Lyramion]

YouTube - monty python stoning clip


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[sruon]

so... Where is Niki?

[Sta]

I didnt know it existed, how would i do it? I'm entering in a min, but I don't think i'd get banned cos i have a relic and good gears.

[Nameless]

Yeah you tell him. He's the moron because you can't read.

Lol, I can't read what? what exactly was he so pissed about if he wasn't banned?

[Kaeko]

I was LM-17'd as well. I'm fairly sure that anyone receiving either message will be told it's a full ban if you try the call center (just a hunch though). Which leads me to ask how do you get a 3-day suspension only? Everyone that has called with 17 got 'perma' when they asked call center, and LM-11 is obvious perma. So where are the temps?

I think it's the "intent" that gets you in trouble in this situation. I was fairly good at making sure it was only discussed outside the confines of the game with the people I chose to explain it to, but obviously when you're in the run and someone has to give directions, everyone can't act innocent in chat-log. Even using this only maybe 4 times over about a 4 month span and receiving nothing (just to help), I think the number of times you used it and the amount of you received was irrelevant to SE in this instance.

At this point I feel a slight bit of relief ironically. Of course I don't know if it's really perma or whatnot I don't know how these things work, but I've very relieved to find that likely I'm the only one in LS hit. There would be a great deal of guilt associated with this if something I said or did led to friend's account being closed. I can really deal if it's just myself being locked out.

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As far as this morality issue and cheating, I see this more of just a calculated risk sort of thing. If you're honest with yourself and know that you had intent to use this, you had to know it was 'cheating', or at least violated the "spirit" of the game. While SE really defines what is legit vs. what is cheating and this may not always make sense, I don't see this case being that gray an area. From a player perspective, it was a calculated risk and I/others got burned on it.

From SE's perspective, I think you cannot simply let this one go without at least something happening. I'm sure that as people who have worked very hard to make the game what it is, their creation, they want to see it clean. Whether what they did was too harsh or not harsh enough is up for debate, but I don't think it was outrageous or anything. I personally think bans are to send a message. I know a lot of other sketchy borderline glitches to outright glitches that aren't 3rd party related (aka just programming errors or oversights like this one was) and if I do end up back in 3 days, there's no way in hell I'm going to use them even if I know them. Bans are a good way to deter people from this sort of thing.

I sympathize with those who received the LM-11/17 in the sense that I feel that many players log on to escape reality, if only for a short time. One of the cornerstones of reality/real life is the rule of law - that cutting corners and doing things contrary to what's on a piece of paper (like ToS) results in consequences. Perhaps this just reinforces the notion that, at times, the game and life can follow similar parallels.

Finally, for those riding the morality train, I would definitely score this as a victory in the sense that the community is generally 'cleaner' without players like myself in it. But I'll just finish by playing a little devil's advocate and ask isn't everything just a bit more interesting when someone/some group is pushing against SE's intentions? =P

Cheers

[DAKPluto]

march update 2009 is going to be epic. i bet drop rates will be uped to like fucking 50% on everything just to kick people in the balls more.

I'd be happier with upped Khroma ore drop rates QQ

[zard1977]

Time to start a "Post here if you got banned" thread.

[Nameless]

Is this some kind of troll?

troll? ppl who disagreed with you are all trolls?

Explain what you meant by your statement then?

[Killkenny]

I find it amusing how some of the banned are saying "lolz enjoy your dying game now everybody" when a decent proportion of the people who have been banned will either continue to play on another account that they've aquired/will aquire, or will just start a new account. This won't affect endgame at all, apart from a reshuffle of linkshells on some servers. Not to mention Odin's issues with having too many people online at once, this game may have peaked already but its far from dying.

As for the punishment itself, the ToS were quoted and are very clear on what happens if you exploit a glitch (I myself had never read the ToS like a huge number of people here I'm sure, but ignorance is not an excuse). However after hearing some responses from friends who have been hit and spoken to GMs, this permaban verdict may not be final but I guess time will tell in 3-10 days.

As for the punishment missing some people and it not being "fair". You took a gamble and either lost or won, but you can be sure that anyone who survives this won't be trying it again. Who cares what happens to the duped alex, SE won't do anything about it and nor should they.

[Tyche]

If I worked at that call-center, I think I would have called in sick today. Nothing worse than dealing with 500+ pissed off customers in 8 hours.

[dejet]

I'd be happier with upped Khroma ore drop rates QQ

oh that will come too. its going to be added as a prize from ISNMs added to KS30s and going to be given as a reward to the new story lines for the 1st quest you do in each one.

[Charismatic]

Lol, I can't read what? what exactly was he so pissed about if he wasn't banned?

Are you... serious?
Let's be real here.

[Day]

Lol, I can't read what? what exactly was he so pissed about if he wasn't banned?

FUCK YES, YOU ARE THE GREATEST ROUND OF BANS EVER.


OH BABY, OH BABY, OH BABY!

I AM FAPPING AS WE SPEAK.
YES.

DICK.
OUT.
AT.
WORK.


SUCK IT NIGGAZ

It's like it's Christmas around this piece.

Yeah, but you see... the greatest part is that everyone who knows me knows I'm not really serious when I make these posts.
And everyone else is too busy crying over being banned to read this post and know I wasn't serious.


Anyway, sup man... how many people from your LS got the hammer?

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[The Blackrose]

Guys, guys! Clearly this was intended to be a feature! SE had pity on us and intended to be able to retain our drops after some bastard decided to break alliance over an E Body!

[Xyle]

Over 9000 hours in MS paint.

[Soracloud]

Japanese players got temp bans.

[Charismatic]

troll? ppl who disagreed with you are all trolls?

Explain what you meant by your statement then?

Well, seeing as you can't read... I find that doing so would be a colossal waste of my time.
(Before you ask, yes, it's that important.)


If you pay me $300 I will explain it to you.






EDIT: FUCK DAY, THAT'S MY $300... FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF

[Marcicus]

http://www.bluegartr.com/forum/ffxi-...ing-cow_k.html

looks like some of you were right after all

[SubzeroDiabolos]

If only they did that to botters

[Nameless]

Well, if you are the supporter of the ban, don't make stupid statement like, "well, not knowing the trick is why you are still around", it makes ppl think you are saying "well, if you had known it, you would be banned like me".