Delicious quotes from the original dupe fix thread

[Raevenblm]

My humble contribution to the cause:

http://i41.tinypic.com/axh194.png

rofl

[Day]

Sure glad Fiye is here to quote the user agreement to us.

Well in their defense half the people here don't seem to think it even exists.

[Cysic]

well, to be fair SE's programming flaw regarding the exploit was actually seeded into the game; this is NOT something that these people can repeat. wheras gilselling would be completely unrelated in this scenario. which is why I think aside from people that actually had WEBSITES up wanting to SELL (duped) salvage drops should be the ones delt with most severely (perma) and those who didnt do that should be given a fair punishment that reflects the severity of their actions. (pigtails salvage service anyone lol...)

SE shouldn't have to do the legwork you're right. However, in the same breath, people also shouldn't be exploiting flaws. So to be fair; all of this legwork will have been done long before the bansticks have been given out which makes the entire notion that: having seperate punishments with varying degrees of severity is too much work and quite irrelevant, we hope.

On another note which, really, I've just come across which does nothing but promote a better in-depth look at "Varying degrees of punishment" I just want to go back and touchbase on something I mentioned earlierl; If anyone recalls one of those noted Pigtailed taru's (I honestly don't remember which one) had a salvage service going on posted on some website... It was basically stating that you could enter with their group and pay them a certain amount of gil for whatever drop you requested if it dropped. But it had one quirky sort of stipulation that I actually found odd enough to bring up to my Salvage crew. You were basically to logout once you entered the zone; no questions asked sort of deal and you would be told via mule or something if your item had dropped. They pawned it off easily ofc, stating they ran highly efficient runs and didnt want people getting in their way etc. Now that ofc is partially believable but on the other hand my group and I bantered over it like, well why not just have them not in party or whats the big harm having an extra hand with all those gears...? unless you're up to something funny right?

Mind you, at the time we were assuming things like PoS hacking or the "Standby button" trick; we had no clue It may include something of this magnitude. Getting back to the relevance: on why I'm slowly discovering that these LM-17s that are turning into perma's very rapidly permanents and potentially needing some slightly varying degrees of punishment due to severity of the cases... whats to say that some of these folks that are potentially getting perma banned aren't guilty of exploiting this in the sense that they truely were unaware that the drop they got was a dupe? I mean ofc the act of buying or selling r/ex might very well be against the ToS I really don't know or care but the issue herein is of pure relevance to simply this exploit.

The context of the point is not whether or not it is something that can be repeated; it's the fact that the ToS was repeatedly and intentionally banned. Using bots, pos.exe, RMT, duping drops. They're all intentionally breaking the rules, and the same punishment should be meaded out for all of them; these people chose to break the rules which means accepting if you get caught you're done.

What it runs down to for SE, though, is really getting the job done in an "efficient" manner. While I agree to a fair extent that individualistic punishment is more fitting in many cases, (people who have only done it once, people who bought it without realizing it was a dupe,) but for the most part those who used the dupe repeatedly and knowingly shouldn't have stayed.

Even with the legwork they did, they would still have to individually track salvage drops that were earned with it or without it. If they removed all pieces (even the legit ones) from the involved player's there'd be a storm of people whining and complaining. They'd end up using huge amounts of manhours by making people review endless logs (I mean... 950 people banned? That's well over 100 groups) in order to decide who what when and how.

If anyone got banned for buying one without realizing the ramifications, then I throw a /comfort their way; they shouldn't have received a perma for that. But when it comes down to that group (likely a significant minority) these things can be dealt with (should be dealt with) by customer support.

[Bingbong]

My humble contribution to the cause:

http://i41.tinypic.com/axh194.png

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/_qa2Wq9S7F0...2233958882.jpg

[Sassasfas]

How long do you think it will be before the perma-ban peeps start telling us how WoW is so much better?

[Neosutra]

Well in their defense half the people here don't seem to think it even exists.

Not really, quoting the user agreement as if these people didnt know about it for some reason, or just missed that section and that's why they decided to cheat is fucking retarded.

[Shadowrunner]

I stopped caring yesterday. Though the quotes are a doozie. THat's about all I would have contribted then gotten back to everyday life, like fishing <3

[Day]

Not really, quoting the user agreement as if these people didnt know about it for some reason, or just missed that section and that's why they decided to cheat is fucking retarded.

So is exploiting a Salvage glitch. LOL.

[Neosutra]

Ya but assuming these people didnt know the rules and requoting them here is sophmoric and annoying as hell. That or damned naive.

[Kuya]

annoying as hell

And the plot thickens.

[Silenka]

So you don't think that seeing a thread full of people who not only admit to Duping but who also rationalized it as being completely fair and repeatedly stating how SE wouldn't do a thing wouldn't piss SE off?

I mean if it's such a known fact that SE reads this board, how the hell could people be so stupid as to openly discuss how they were breaking SE's rule and that they were entirely proud about it and not think they'll do something in return? I don't know about you, but if I ran a wildly popular MMO and was in this situation, where I could see a bunch of dicks not only exploiting the game, but bragging that they'd get away with it, I'd take action and enjoy the repercussions of the massive QQing as a result.

If you don't think people at SE are rofling at this thread like everyone else then I don't know what to tell ya.

No, you make the grand assumption that they care about the playerbase and about BG enough to inspect it closely like we're doing. Maybe some of them do but I'm pretty sure the majority don't. They might say "oh, this is exploding all over forums, well, business as usual" but aside from being happy that a bunch of people who cheated the system are gone, they're not going to sit around picking through the thread and going LOLOLOL.

It's called maturity & having a life outside of FFXI, hahah.

[Tsuki]

The context of the point is not whether or not it is something that can be repeated; it's the fact that the ToS was repeatedly and intentionally banned. Using bots, pos.exe, RMT, duping drops. They're all intentionally breaking the rules, and the same punishment should be meaded out for all of them; these people chose to break the rules which means accepting if you get caught you're done.

What it runs down to for SE, though, is really getting the job done in an "efficient" manner. While I agree to a fair extent that individualistic punishment is more fitting in many cases, (people who have only done it once, people who bought it without realizing it was a dupe,) but for the most part those who used the dupe repeatedly and knowingly shouldn't have stayed.

Even with the legwork they did, they would still have to individually track salvage drops that were earned with it or without it. If they removed all pieces (even the legit ones) from the involved player's there'd be a storm of people whining and complaining. They'd end up using huge amounts of manhours by making people review endless logs (I mean... 950 people banned? That's well over 100 groups) in order to decide who what when and how.

If anyone got banned for buying one without realizing the ramifications, then I throw a /comfort their way; they shouldn't have received a perma for that. But when it comes down to that group (likely a significant minority) these things can be dealt with (should be dealt with) by customer support.

Again, It has taken SE nearly 2 months to get to the point where they have banned people. They have stated themselves that they have already reviewed over one years worth of logs. Therefore; they are already aware of how many illegitimate drops went to x amount of people. Its really irrelevant to bring up this notion that adjusting the severity of the punishment would cause them more work. SE had all their ducks lined up in a row before the ban hammer was swung.

[Slowpoke]

http://img160.imageshack.us/img160/4989/slowpokejo6.jpg

Hay Gyz! I heard theres a trick to duping the drops in Salvage?! Wuuut!? hOw?

[Null]

Damn, I went through eight pages with hopes that Niki would 'man' up. But....

[Melios]

Damn, I went through eight pages with hopes that Niki would 'man' up. But....

Unsurprisingly, most of those in that thread who were quite certain there would be no bans didn't have the balls to show up.

[Jinksko]

I lol'd again

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[Tomiko]

Fortunately I yell at people enough and make them feel oppressed enough that it's like Ryko never left.

I miss the tyranny sometimes.

P.S. Update the Fanfic again!

[Telamond]

I lol'd again

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Oh Dardar, he's the best. <3

[Enedin]

Oh Dardar, he's the best. <3

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[Avarice]

Mod Edit: watch the derogatory language.

Mod Edit: watch the derogatory language.

Uh, wat?