Up in Arms - RDM Solo Video?

[Gaea]

I'd have to see it to believe it. While I believe a Red Mage, or maybe even a Black Mage or Scholar could solo it, if given enough time, the time limit for that BC is only 15 minutes.

I've done this several times with two black mages and one red mage and it takes about 10 minutes. Of course we are being extra careful and resting between nukes but we are blasting this thing with double Burst. and it still takes several of those.

A Red Mage doesn't even get a tier 3 nuke until level 65. At 60, it finally gets Thunder II. While I can see this soloable with no time limit, I don't see it happening in 15 minutes for a job so weak at level 60. Not to mention, the only BLM solo video I've ever seen cuts this pretty close with Manafont, tons of meds, and much better nukes.

The fact is people say "Red Mage" solos a lot of stuff that they never solo. Anytime SE comes out with something it's "Oh Red Mage could solo that." Before you know it you have people claiming to have heard of imaginary videos on youtube that prove it to give some kind of credit to this nonsense.

If I'm wrong, hey that's great and kudos to the Red Mage that pulls this off. But I don't take "Red Mage soloed that" serious anymore. It's not that bloody hard to take a screenshot. If I was a Red Mage and I was about to pull off a phenomenal solo, you can believe that I'd have a god damn screenshot.

[FailureMidgard]

I'd have to see it to believe it. While I believe a Red Mage, or maybe even a Black Mage or Scholar could solo it, if given enough time, the time limit for that BC is only 15 minutes.

I've done this several times with two black mages and one red mage and it takes about 10 minutes. Of course we are being extra careful and resting between nukes but we are blasting this thing with double Burst. and it still takes several of those.

A Red Mage doesn't even get a tier 3 nuke until level 65. At 60, it finally gets Thunder II. While I can see this soloable with no time limit, I don't see it happening in 15 minutes for a job so weak at level 60. Not to mention, the only BLM solo video I've ever seen cuts this pretty close with Manafont, tons of meds, and much better nukes.

The fact is people say "Red Mage" solos a lot of stuff that they never solo. Anytime SE comes out with something it's "Oh Red Mage could solo that." Before you know it you have people claiming to have heard of imaginary videos on youtube that prove it to give some kind of credit to this nonsense.

If I'm wrong, hey that's great and kudos to the Red Mage that pulls this off. But I don't take "Red Mage soloed that" serious anymore. It's not that bloody hard to take a screenshot. If I was a Red Mage and I was about to pull off a phenomenal solo, you can believe that I'd have a god damn screenshot.

Sorry, but you're flat out wrong here. A Red Mage did solo Up In Arms, was some japanese person, I watched it a long time ago. Used CS, had to sleep/rest for mp.

As for BLM vs RDM...play to their strengths, rdm has refresh running, convert for MP, vs a BLMs manafont...who cares if the black mage's nukes hit harder, they cost more mp and cost way longer to cast (as opposed to CS).

[drwaffles]

There is a RDM solo video floating around somewhere, I've personally seen it. I think it might have been Vol (the guy who solo'd Diabolos prime on BLM), but it's just a feeling and probably incorrect. Doesn't look particularly difficult, just burn Chainspell and then kite back and forth trying to whittle it down within the time limit. I think someone mentioned spamming Drain after the mid-CS Convert, and I'm pretty sure that's what the guy in the video I saw did.

[Zinehsheneh]

Last night I was bored and when I saw this thread I decided to give it a shot. I won in 13min and 8sec with around 60% MP left and I felt that it was fairly easy, however this fight would be significantly harder without scholar sub but I wouldn't call it impossible.

I went RDM/SCH and just used all my 75 gear scaled down, even more gimped then normal because I have af+1 hat and never requested it. It took me around 24 Thunder 2's with a few bio2s and drains to kill it which wasn't that hard to reach in the 15min time limit. Each Thunder 2 was doing 275 damage and I don't think I had a single resist due to the skill increase from subbing scholar. I do have max elemental/enfeebling skill merits but it's defiantly not needed.

I just used the same basic strat of chainspell and convert asap. If I was to try this again I don't think that I would use any dots because it is very nice to be able to sleep at any moment. By the time my convert was back up it was very low and I had about 3 and a half min to finish it, so as long as your convert is up with 3~4min left it shouldn't be a problem.

[Maaglin]

If you are using AM in this bc, you're doing it wrong.

[cdgreg]

but we are blasting this thing with double Burst.

I wish there was a way to set your prefs so certain people can't reply to your threads because they just ruin any they post in.

Yay burst...since you know...thunder is the strongest AM...

[Tsuko_Asura]

I'd have to see it to believe it. While I believe a Red Mage, or maybe even a Black Mage or Scholar could solo it, if given enough time, the time limit for that BC is only 15 minutes.

I've done this several times with two black mages and one red mage and it takes about 10 minutes. Of course we are being extra careful and resting between nukes but we are blasting this thing with double Burst. and it still takes several of those.

A Red Mage doesn't even get a tier 3 nuke until level 65. At 60, it finally gets Thunder II. While I can see this soloable with no time limit, I don't see it happening in 15 minutes for a job so weak at level 60. Not to mention, the only BLM solo video I've ever seen cuts this pretty close with Manafont, tons of meds, and much better nukes.

The fact is people say "Red Mage" solos a lot of stuff that they never solo. Anytime SE comes out with something it's "Oh Red Mage could solo that." Before you know it you have people claiming to have heard of imaginary videos on youtube that prove it to give some kind of credit to this nonsense.

If I'm wrong, hey that's great and kudos to the Red Mage that pulls this off. But I don't take "Red Mage soloed that" serious anymore. It's not that bloody hard to take a screenshot. If I was a Red Mage and I was about to pull off a phenomenal solo, you can believe that I'd have a god damn screenshot.

I posted a screenshot of it months ago. Its not phenomenal.

[Kilorilo]

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[Aragon of Odin]

Even when I do this with my friends we don't use AM's. Blizzaga2 all the way, much more MP efficient.

[Gaea]

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Yeah, I think I definitely have to try this. Great stuff. I think the only thing I'd do differently is Yag drinks over Refresh.



I haven't done this bc in a year and a half after I went 2/11. When we were doing it back then, 2 black mages a red mage was just a comfortable way to do it. And until someone actually finds this video it doesn't exist. It's no difference than the dimwits I 've seen posting that "JP RDM soloed Khimaira on Youtube".

Is it possible to solo this BC? Sure. I've seen it done on Black Mage. Had it happened on Red Mage? So far all we had is hearsay of a video anyone has yet to prove ever existed. I'm not trying to be an ass, but "RDM soloed that" has been so overstated that it doesn't carry any weight with me anymore until I see proof. I'd require the same proof if they said RDM75 soloed a Tiny Mandragora in West Sarutabaruta. Until I see a video, it didn't happen.

This BCNM has a low time limit and Red Mage be very limited to how much it could do without bringing a modest investment in meds.

Most players I know (granted most are NA) won't even bring Vile Elixirs to Tier 3 or Odin in Einherjar. There's this one douchebag on our server "Celestria" (one of the Salvage duping tempbans) who came to an Einherjar with 900 MP and bitched about me stealing hate after burning through 3000MP because they were too lazy to bring a couple of vile elixirs and buy a Lieutenant's Cape and I had to cure their party and mine. Not only do you have players unwilling to bring meds, but they complain when others bring meds when it makes them look bad.

I'm not going to get into why many players look at medicines as some kind of "taboo", I'm just saying that this requires a substantial investment and I would think there would be a link to a video or screenshot if it did happen. Most people that try to do amazing things in FFXI at least have the foresight to take a screenshot.

I need about another 50 million gil for my mythic and I still have 1600 seals to burn. It beats paying 1mil to each helper if club drops. Rather than saying Red Mage soloed it and I'm wrong, all you had to do was provide a link the vid. Otherwise I'm absolutely correct.

[Seraph]

Otherwise I'm absolutely correct.

You are absolutely just as incorrect as they are until someone digs up the video. Wasn't this posted on that vid site that got shut down? I swear I saw the vid of the RDM Chainspelling at the start, converting immediately, and then just DoT/Nuking it until Covert was up a second time, and finished it off.

I even remember thinking how bad the chest drops were after all that effort.

[Day]

what

[Seraph]

what

Lack of immediate proof verifies impossibility? I think not.

On a different note though, instead of killing yourself because of the moderate level of precision and small amount of luck needed to make something like this work solo, why not just take in two people to almost guarantee the win? Hell, if all you are after is the K-Club, I'm sure you could pay a friend anything else that drops as a reward for helping you with the BC. If that doesn't fly, you need more friends?

[Day]

Actually my post was because this thread was bumblefucked a min ago and everyones posts were going inside poofs.

[Seraph]

Actually my post was because this thread was bumblefucked a min ago and everyones posts were going inside poofs.

Inn yer endo?

[Day]

That's just uncalled for =(

[FailureMidgard]

Yeah, I think I definitely have to try this. Great stuff. I think the only thing I'd do differently is Yag drinks over Refresh.



I haven't done this bc in a year and a half after I went 2/11. When we were doing it back then, 2 black mages a red mage was just a comfortable way to do it. And until someone actually finds this video it doesn't exist. It's no difference than the dimwits I 've seen posting that "JP RDM soloed Khimaira on Youtube".

Is it possible to solo this BC? Sure. I've seen it done on Black Mage. Had it happened on Red Mage? So far all we had is hearsay of a video anyone has yet to prove ever existed. I'm not trying to be an ass, but "RDM soloed that" has been so overstated that it doesn't carry any weight with me anymore until I see proof. I'd require the same proof if they said RDM75 soloed a Tiny Mandragora in West Sarutabaruta. Until I see a video, it didn't happen.

This BCNM has a low time limit and Red Mage be very limited to how much it could do without bringing a modest investment in meds.

Most players I know (granted most are NA) won't even bring Vile Elixirs to Tier 3 or Odin in Einherjar. There's this one douchebag on our server "Celestria" (one of the Salvage duping tempbans) who came to an Einherjar with 900 MP and bitched about me stealing hate after burning through 3000MP because they were too lazy to bring a couple of vile elixirs and buy a Lieutenant's Cape and I had to cure their party and mine. Not only do you have players unwilling to bring meds, but they complain when others bring meds when it makes them look bad.

I'm not going to get into why many players look at medicines as some kind of "taboo", I'm just saying that this requires a substantial investment and I would think there would be a link to a video or screenshot if it did happen. Most people that try to do amazing things in FFXI at least have the foresight to take a screenshot.

I need about another 50 million gil for my mythic and I still have 1600 seals to burn. It beats paying 1mil to each helper if club drops. Rather than saying Red Mage soloed it and I'm wrong, all you had to do was provide a link the vid. Otherwise I'm absolutely correct.

You're not being an ass, you're being stupid as fuck.

If I said a red mage soloed Leaping Lizzy at level 40, would I need to get you a video link for that also?

Clearly though, since the video most people saw (and many people have done it since - but didn't bother making a video as they were inspired by the original probably) was taken down when stage6 disappeared, and we have issues contacting some JP person, it doesn't exist.

If you actually weren't quite so stupid, you could search google and come across things like this:
Soloing Up In Arms, 60BC. - Final Fantasy XI :: Dreams in Vana'diel :: Community
It even has a link to the original URL the video was at, has the total clear time, and someone went over said RDM's exact method. Clearly though, this was posted 1.5 years ago to set the big conspiracy in motion to thwart you today.

[The Blackrose]

Fixed the thread eater issue. Now some people need to take a breather.

Calm down.

[Gaea]

You're not being an ass, you're being stupid as fuck.

If I said a red mage soloed Leaping Lizzy at level 40, would I need to get you a video link for that also?

Absolutely. RDM75 can't solo Leaping Lizzy unless there's a video to prove it. However I'd be willing to believe that Monk Level 10 soloed it without proof.

It has nothing to do with proof. It has to do with the overstatement of "RDM can solo that". It doesn't even have any meaning anymore. Saying "RDM can solo that" is just as meaningful as saying "I like porcupines".

When ZNMs came out, like the day they came out, and the wiki was being updated with information on strategies to defeat them, there were a couple idiot red mages who went through nearly every single T1-T3 ZNM article, and put "Soloed by RDM/NIN" as one of the possible strategies. Maybe I'm just biased because I see this nonsense on the wiki all the time. The NMs weren't even out for 2 days before people who didn't even have the job leveled beyond 37 were updating every new mob as "soloable by RDM/NIN".

People seem to automatically assume RDM/NIN can solo anything the moment was released without any proof whatsoever. They just look at the type of mob, its movement speed, whether-or-not it has draw-in and what enfeebles will stick on it and they automatically tag it as soloable.

Perhaps if you spent less time trying to e-thug your way through life as a shallow /anon sodomite, and actually contributed something to the community, you'd realize how ridiculously overstated "RDM soloed that" is.

With that said, WHM15 soloing Leaping Lizzy, I'd believe it simply because it sounds plausible. RDM75 soloing Leaping Lizzy; I'd require a video or screenshot, or it didn't happen.

Besides, the video was posted. It was a great video, too. It wasn't youtube (where it was claimed to be and I did search youtube prior to my post), but still a great video. I think I might give a try myself. I personally didn't think I'd have enough time to pull it off but seeing the Thunder, Blizzard, Drain strategy, I can definitely see this being not as difficult as I'd had thought.

[FailureMidgard]

Absolutely. RDM75 can't solo Leaping Lizzy unless there's a video to prove it. However I'd be willing to believe that Monk Level 10 soloed it without proof.

It has nothing to do with proof. It has to do with the overstatement of "RDM can solo that". It doesn't even have any meaning anymore. Saying "RDM can solo that" is just as meaningful as saying "I like porcupines".

When ZNMs came out, like the day they came out, and the wiki was being updated with information on strategies to defeat them, there were a couple idiot red mages who went through nearly every single T1-T3 ZNM article, and put "Soloed by RDM/NIN" as one of the possible strategies. Maybe I'm just biased because I see this nonsense on the wiki all the time. The NMs weren't even out for 2 days before people who didn't even have the job leveled beyond 37 were updating every new mob as "soloable by RDM/NIN".

People seem to automatically assume RDM/NIN can solo anything the moment was released without any proof whatsoever. They just look at the type of mob, its movement speed, whether-or-not it has draw-in and what enfeebles will stick on it and they automatically tag it as soloable.

Perhaps if you spent less time trying to e-thug your way through life as a shallow /anon sodomite, and actually contributed something to the community, you'd realize how ridiculously overstated "RDM soloed that" is.

With that said, WHM15 soloing Leaping Lizzy, I'd believe it simply because it sounds plausible. RDM75 soloing Leaping Lizzy; I'd require a video or screenshot, or it didn't happen.

Is that e-thug directed at me? I like to think I do contribute to this community, I rarely if ever use anon when I'm online, my lvl 75 jobs are in my sig image (rdm is not 1, though is currently being leveled). I do understand that sometimes things are thrown around erroneously, but I think many posters here would find it insulting when you say that because it's posted all over the wiki, when we say it here, it has no meaning. Several of us here have watched the video with our own eyes, and said as much here, and you still come back with "it's not true".
Also, there were some ZNMs that a rdm could solo. I can't say for certain exactly which ones (though Wulgaru and the Marid are 2...).

I hate to break it to you, but it -IS- 100% true that multiple red mages have soloed this, that one of the first was a JP red mage nearly 2 years ago. It is also true the video was on stage6, and stage6 has since been taken down. Perhaps in the future I will save all videos so I can prove it to you, but I didn't have that insight over a year ago when I watched it.

If you want to complain about the wiki, then post on the wiki. If you're gonna post here, then please realize that it is not the wiki.