AV video solved? - Torque Theory Only

[Conker]

The thought of giving a justice torque to a rdm hurts.

have a dark or w/e come out on lv 1 rdm

edit: lame joke

[cdgreg]

have a dark or w/e come out on lv 1 rdm

How is a level 1 rdm going to wear a level 73 torque?

[Devek]

Join a exp party?

[Maxxthepenguin]

How is a level 1 rdm going to wear a level 73 torque?

Level syncing up instead of down

[Bozo]

Guessing that's directed at us, and yes all 11 people had the appropriate torque equipped when they did their 2 hour.

Just an observation from the original post. Being a DRG he probably used Call Wyvern way before AV even had a chance too. Maybe your timer has to be down with the torque equipped? Are you positive no one accidently swapped a torque out with a macro?

[Hogie]

Just an observation from the original post. Being a DRG he probably used Call Wyvern way before AV even had a chance too. Maybe your timer has to be down with the torque equipped? Are you positive no one accidently swapped a torque out with a macro?

I was also thinking this, but if you notice, the Drg in the video's never has his Wyvern out. Also, another thing i just found EXTREAMLY strange, if you look at the third two hour on the English video, when AV uses Call Wyvern, the Dev Team DRG uses Call Wyvern but no Wyvern comes out. The animation goes off but nothing comes out.

[arshesney]

Maybe nuking it with element of the day is also part of the locking process, since they stressed hard enough with that and the whole "block the regen" crap (and sure fighting on lightsday ain't going to help).
How strong is the leftover regen?

[Hogie]

Maybe nuking it with element of the day is also part of the locking process, since they stressed hard enough with that and the whole "block the regen" crap (and sure fighting on lightsday ain't going to help).
How strong is the leftover regen?

Ya i agree i think that everything should be in the best possible conditions to test this.

Make sure you kill enough of JoL Pets.
Make sure you keep all Aerns around JoL/AV pop area dead at all times
Make sure you are spam nuking the element of the day.

Another thing i have noticed is most people are only bringing 2 tanks? SE Had 4 tanks there so maybe we should think about bringing 2 RDM/NIN tanks as well, they so soak up Aergo4 very well.

[Darkslitter]

I was also thinking this, but if you notice, the Drg in the video's never has his Wyvern out. Also, another thing i just found EXTREAMLY strange, if you look at the third two hour on the English video, when AV uses Call Wyvern, the Dev Team DRG uses Call Wyvern but no Wyvern comes out. The animation goes off but nothing comes out.

YouTube - Absolute Virtue Beaten By SE
3:37-3:38 wynavs clearly visible Also just before the fade out "Fannie uses flee" It would appear they are being fleed away

[Hogie]

YouTube - Absolute Virtue Beaten By SE
3:37-3:38 wynavs clearly visible Also just before the fade out "Fannie uses flee" It would appear they are being fleed away

Using the name Player for the DRG fighting AV for lack of confusion.

The Wyverns you see there are the ones from AV, im talking about from the Players. There are later parts (with different 2hs from AV) that the Players Wyvern comes out, but when AV uses Call Wyvern, the Players Wyvern doesn't come out. Maybe its just the camera angle, but i don't even see the Wyverns shadow.



Wow that seems too confusing.

[Auronku]

Just an observation from the original post. Being a DRG he probably used Call Wyvern way before AV even had a chance too. Maybe your timer has to be down with the torque equipped? Are you positive no one accidently swapped a torque out with a macro?

I really don't think his wyvern was out at any point prior to AV using Call Wyvern. It wasn't out when we started fighting AV and there woudn't have been enough of a cool down for him to use Call Wyvern again when AV did.

I don't have a way of saying definitively yes everyone was wearing the torque at all times. The instructions given were to leave it on at all times and 2 hour with it. It's always possible someone fucked up, but in this case with it being the Paladin who would have had to, I really doubt it.

What needs to be tested now is whether mirroring AV's 2 hours is the key to locking him. I can't say I have much faith in this because it's basically a death sentence seeing as you have to eat a meteor, but it's worth trying.

I also wouldn't mind seeing someone test in the same way we did and hopefully they can live a little longer and get some more results. For a while there things did look promising because the gap between Chainspell and Call Wyvern/Invincible was starting to seem significant.

[Hogie]

Took some pics of the video to show what i mean. By the way, i do teach MS Paint Lessons every day from 9am-5pm so if you want my skills at MS Paint send me a PM

The Lines represent a shadow on the ground corresponding to the player beside it. Just a reference as well, the Player DRG is the second line from the right.

Right before AV Uses 2h Call Wyvern (English Video 3:28 )

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e3...CallWyvern.png

When AV uses 2h Call Wyvern (English Video 3:27)

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e397/Hogie48/AV2h.png

When Player uses 2h Call Wyvern (English Video 3:40) Also note that this picture is taken after the Players 2h animation has already gone off.

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e3...ie48/Drg2h.png

The look at the clip of that scene and whats in it. Here you can see AV's Wyvern running towards the players, but still no "Player" Wyvern or any Shadow showing its around.

http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e3...8/Lastlook.png

From the point the Player DRG uses their 2h at 3:38 (Shown in log at 3:40) to the end of the scene (3:44) is 6 seconds and still no Player DRG.


Something really strange about that i think.

[Hyan]

Did you guys notice, that in some point in the video the camera zooms in to the chat log when the players use their 2h? Idk if anyone saw it yet just throwing it out here.

[Ultimagi]

Wild speculation belongs in the other thread.
Thanks for providing some test data. Looks like you disproved the idea that Jailer Weapon's job's 2 hour abilities are not combined in a category. That really wasn't part of the original idea. Has anyone tested whether or not mirroring the same ability locks it, with or without a torque equipped?

[Hogie]

Wild speculation belongs in the other thread.
Thanks for providing some test data. Looks like you disproved the idea that Jailer Weapon's job's 2 hour abilities are not combined in a category. That really wasn't part of the original idea. Has anyone tested whether or not mirroring the same ability locks it, with or without a torque equipped?

Its not wild speculation, what im trying to say is that maybe if the torque theory is right you will see something like this.

[Aikar]

I'm gonna lol so hard if this post is partially right and alla actually had some correct info back in 07:
Allakhazam.com: Final Fantasy XI: End Game Forum

What race was the DRG with Love Torque that consistently locked it?
the speculation on race is worth considering.

[oldoldman]

Did you guys notice, that in some point in the video the camera zooms in to the chat log when the players use their 2h? Idk if anyone saw it yet just throwing it out here.

Hint: The video is old as sin. There is nothing we haven't noticed from that video.

(Unless I just got wooshed)

[RPGTyrant]

Hint: The video is old as sin. There is nothing we haven't noticed from that video.

(Unless I just got wooshed)

Very much so sir, very much so.

[oldoldman]

Is it a woosh if the poster recognizes the possibility though?

[Bozo]

What race was the DRG with Love Torque that consistently locked it?
the speculation on race is worth considering.

Good point, and very possible. I could see SE making this theory even harder by having the job with correct torque AND race.