AV video solved? - Torque Theory Only

[Suiram]

When you say "midway through the 3rd rotation" are you saying that he used them in the same order 2+ times and that he used roughly 10 or so? Also are you 100% sure the first 2H was Call Wyvern?

[Flic]

rotation was drg, mnk, thf, war.
I was alive during the 3rd hundred fists, we wiped completely during perfect dodge of all things lol.

However my thoughts are that it might have been just glitched, cause we replecated everything this weekend and got stomped. We might be missing something and hopefully I will get a chance to talk to Fanpipi later this week to discuss it.

[Max™]

Just a note, I was talking with Flic about this earlier. The only difference between the partially locked fight, and the unexplained failure to lock on the second fight, barring unknown factors like day of the vana week, or any damage related factors, is an outside party soaking Aeroga, but otherwise uninvolved in the fight.

I recall the camera toons in the SE video were still 2hring, so I mentioned that it would be worth having outside people, who are within range of AV's nukes, 2hr like the main ally members to see if it has an effect on his behavior.

[TybudX]

So the secret to AV may be to lag him out with spectators?

Brilliant. =P

[Max™]

Well, the opposite actually, but we went over everything I could think of in the two fights, and were left with three things which could have been different.

1. Day of the week, I think one of them was Watersday he said.

2. Damage dealt/speed/spells cast/sc's used, wasn't logged that he recalls, but he said it was the same 18 people in both fights, so ideally this wasn't "it".

3. People outside the fight in range where AV could nuke/in his detection radius, first fight there were none, and the torque thing made him cycle through 4 2hrs. Second fight there was a party helping soak Aeroga damage, the torque thing didn't work, and the outside party didn't participate in the fight, get hate, or 2hr or anything.

That would be an observation worth noting, the camera toons in the SE video using their 2hrs would be a correlation, and suggesting that everyone in the area of the fight has to take part would be a conjecture.

[Seraph]

Well, the opposite actually, but we went over everything I could think of in the two fights, and were left with three things which could have been different.

1. Day of the week, I think one of them was Watersday he said.

2. Damage dealt/speed/spells cast/sc's used, wasn't logged that he recalls, but he said it was the same 18 people in both fights, so ideally this wasn't "it".

3. People outside the fight in range where AV could nuke/in his detection radius, first fight there were none, and the torque thing made him cycle through 4 2hrs. Second fight there was a party helping soak Aeroga damage, the torque thing didn't work, and the outside party didn't participate in the fight, get hate, or 2hr or anything.

That would be an observation worth noting, the camera toons in the SE video using their 2hrs would be a correlation, and suggesting that everyone in the area of the fight has to take part would be a conjecture.

Was the attempt to lock the 2hours before or after the normal method to 'lock the regen'? Maybe you can't lock anything until AVs regen stops? At this point, I really can't think of anything else that makes sense. This even seems 'killspeed' related. Maybe the idea is that if people rush to lock the two hours, nothing happens? :-/

[Max™]

They locked the Regen both fights, duplicated everything, same jobs, same strat, same people with the same gear using the same 2hrs.

I quizzed him on everything, and the only unknown factors were those three.

[Seraph]

They locked the Regen both fights, duplicated everything, same jobs, same strat, same people with the same gear using the same 2hrs.

I quizzed him on everything, and the only unknown factors were those three.

Fair enough. I'm stumped then.

[thetruepandagod]

They locked the Regen both fights, duplicated everything, same jobs, same strat, same people with the same gear using the same 2hrs.

I quizzed him on everything, and the only unknown factors were those three.

Was there any difference at all between the fights against JoL that they did? Not that this is a likely candidate since its already used for regen...

[Hogie]

Was there any difference at all between the fights against JoL that they did? Not that this is a likely candidate since its already used for regen...

Nope no differences in the JoL fights, i was there for the first AV but not the second one but i know they did everything the same. Fanpipi is very in to solving AV and he wants to make sure everything is static. They made sure that JoL is only spawning Sharks and thats about all they did for JoL.

Once JoL is spawning only Sharks, they killed and poped AV. Started to nuke according to the day to eliminate the regen. Im not 100% sure when they used 2hours but maybe Flic can fill that in as he was there for the start of both AV fights. Im not sure if they used certain 2hours go with certain 2hours that AV uses, or if they all just 2h at once.


Flic can you fill in my blanks?

[Yabby]

My shell will be testing the torque theory tonight. Will be logging the chat log also. Will see if we can figure anything out.

[Hyan]

My shell will be testing the torque theory tonight. Will be logging the chat log also. Will see if we can figure anything out.

good luck

[Maxxthepenguin]

My shell will be testing the torque theory tonight. Will be logging the chat log also. Will see if we can figure anything out.

oh gdi now I might have to actually pay attention again.

[Yabby]

oh gdi now I might have to actually pay attention again.

LOL sorry about that. I will be using a chat logger in case we do well.

[Yabby]

Ok we had a few members with torq's

Blm
Mnk
Drk
Drg
Pld
Rdm (With a faith troq, tested anyways)

When we started he did HF right off the bat, thats when our Blm,Drk,Mnk,Pld,Rdm (With faith) two houred. Our drg didn't two hour because she didn't see it happen.

After this point He was locked between 3 differant two hours.

did them in this order: HF,CS,CW over and over.

He did not do any other two hours but these in a cycle 4 times.

We tried to shadowbind during HF, which doesn't work (Don't know if it was stated here before ). I knew he used drawin but i thought only if he couldn't reach you. Even when your only 6 distance away he would still draw in.

The mnk did have faith on, but didn't use the HTH weapon. but even with him using it AV was still able to use HF two hour. So using the torq is not 100% lock but it does something. ether it just didn't want to use other two hours because they were locked i don't know.

We will test other things at a later date, but HF is too hard deal with when he was doing drawin during shadowbind.

[Virtuous Saint]

What is CP?

[Yabby]

fixed lol still playing with AV

[quannum]

When we started he did HF right off the bat, thats when our Blm,Drk,Mnk,Pld,Rdm (With faith) two houred. Our drg didn't two hour because she didn't see it happen.

After this point He was locked between 3 differant two hours.

did them in this order: HF,CS,CW over and over.

CW? BloodWeapon?

Maybe instead of locking a 2hr, a torque makes him more likely to choose the torque wearer's 2hr?

[Maguile]

Call Wyvern

[Aurania]

CW? BloodWeapon?

Maybe instead of locking a 2hr, a torque makes him more likely to choose the torque wearer's 2hr?

One of our LS members threw that idea out there too. We're about to do another love and have a new set of people ready to two hour (no torques, sadly), but we figure any data we can gather could be useful in the long run. He's popping anyway, might as well take the chance to play.