AV video solved? - Torque Theory Only

[Yabby]

So your LS has never locked CW? 100% proof i see, why did i not see that unfathomable logic

[Kenji]

His code has been altered, several times since then. I can't believe that Square-Enix would allow 4 abilities to be locked at once, and when one of them is that of his own job. If you've read the entire thread, you'd know my linkshell has done some testing, which proved inconclusive.

Except his code was never altered to add COR, PUP, BLU, SCH, or DNC 2 hours. Any mob that was job DRG, still has call wyvern as their two hour. AV does *not* use Spirit Surge.

You're making statements without any proof, while logic and testing works against you. Suggest you go get some proof, before you come back.

Anyway, as people have said, he wants to see the principles by which we are driven. We had 2 Faith torques, so we showed him our Faith... and he used the 2 hours of those people over and over. I'm leaning to the theory that certain torques (and perhaps capes) can lock other 2 hours. It's just a matter of testing now:

When he 2 hours, have, say, all WHMs with Prudence torque 2 hour in response. Then keep him active long enough to see what he cycles through. What 2 hour is missing? Repeat in fresh pops the other 2 hours with torques. Let's see if we can find some common ground of what 2 hours are possibly locked by certain torques or 2 hours.

Perhaps the 2 hour you use isn't important, as long as you are wearing a torque. Perhaps the torques themselves have hidden effects that are only triggered against AV when a 2 hour is used.

[fndragon]

His code has been altered, several times since then. I can't believe that Square-Enix would allow 4 abilities to be locked at once, and when one of them is that of his own job. If you've read the entire thread, you'd know my linkshell has done some testing, which proved inconclusive.

Show me one mob that uses the new DRG 2hour and I'll believe you. Spirit Surge doesn't happen on non-player-characters.

[Ultimagi]

You're making statements without any proof

So are all of you. Your word has no more value than mine. Other than the fact that my hypothesis is logical. I agree that I have not proven anything, but neither has anyone else. How do you prove the absence of something? You can't, it only becomes more and more likely that it's true the longer time progresses.

Edit: Wow, can people read? When did I say Absolute Virtue uses Spirit Surge? When did I ever even imply that? Actually try reading my posts and see that I'm saying Call Wyvern should not be able to be locked.

[Kenji]

So are all of you. Your word has no more value than mine. Other than the fact that my hypothesis is logical. I agree that I have not proven anything, but neither has anyone else. How do you prove the absence of something? You can't, it only becomes more and more likely that it's true the longer time progresses.

Proof - AV does *NOT* use Spirit Surge. Thus, his 2 hour code has not been changed.

Proof - No other mob that was DRG had it's 2 hour changed from Call Wyvern to Spirit Surge.

That's our proof. I can pull up more if you like. Where's yours?

[Ultimagi]

AV does *NOT* use Spirit Surge. Thus, his 2 hour code has not been changed.

purple implies eight? Absolute Virtue's artifical intelligence HAS been altered, several times. Look at the developer interviews.

No other mob that was DRG had it's 2 hour changed from Call Wyvern to Spirit Surge.

Absolute Virtue is not an ordinary monster. He's a Notorious Monster, and a very unique one at that. Many Notorious Monsters in this game have different abilities and behave differently.

That's our proof. I can pull up more if you like. Where's yours?

1) Absolute Virtue is a Dragoon.
2) Call Wyvern is not a 2 hour ability anymore.
3) 3 other 2 hour abilities can only be used with Wynavs out.

Neither your arguments nor mine are proof, but mine is a logical hypothesis.

[Yabby]

No it isn't. You really think that saying logical makes it... well logical? No it doesn't. To have a logical hypothesis you have to have some basis of truth. Something that can't or has not been proven wrong. Did you even read why this thread was started? Because someone LOCKED Call wyvern. And yes there is a way to tell if XXX Two hour has been locked.

Time just doesn't make it less likely, it proves it. Use your logic on this, If he had access to 15 two hours, and he only used 3 two hours for 10 mins every 30 secs to 1 min, what is the % of error that would have to be made for him to not use the other two hours from said list? If you want me to do the math i will, but you seem like a smart cookie.

[Virtuous Saint]

LOL sorry about that. I will be using a chat logger in case we do well.

Log of that fight, (Yes, please.)

[Yabby]

Kparser doesn't log everything like i thought it would, if you want a chat log i can do that lol. Does anyone know of a program that does log everything in the chatlog?

[Virtuous Saint]

purple implies eight? Absolute Virtue's artifical intelligence HAS been altered, several times. Look at the developer interviews.

Absolute Virtue is not an ordinary monster. He's a Notorious Monster, and a very unique one at that. Many Notorious Monsters in this game have different abilities and behave differently.


Neither your arguments nor mine are proof, but mine is a logical hypothesis.

Laying down a fact: AV does not use Spirit Surge, there I said it. I don't even need to explain why that is a fact, if you don't know you don't deserve to know.

[Virtuous Saint]

Kparser doesn't log everything like i thought it would, if you want a chat log i can do that lol. Does anyone know of a program that does log everything in the chatlog?

Chat log as in only what players said? lol. no thanks

[Yabby]

I'm looking back over the Kparser chat thing, its only LS/P/Tell, etc.... the only thing it logged of AV was him using hundredfist... it didn't log any of the other Two hours he used.

[Cutriss]

I'm looking back over the Kparser chat thing, its only LS/P/Tell, etc.... the only thing it logged of AV was him using hundredfist... it didn't log any of the other Two hours he used.

I thought Zamato said he had it parsed. I know one of the ppl on Vent said he had something more significant than just a chatlog.

[Ultimagi]

Wow, just wow.
For the last time, Absolute Virtue does not use Spirit Surge. Actually read posts before responding.

Time does not prove something is absent, it only increases the probability. No matter how much you believe that, it's not true.

[Yabby]

Wow, just wow.
For the last time, Absolute Virtue does not use Spirit Surge. Actually read posts before responding.

Time does not prove something is absent, it only increases the probability. No matter how much you believe that, it's not true.

Ok cookie its 0.002817% ... IE you would win the lotto 3 times before AV would only use 3 out of 15 two hours for 10 mins, using a two hour once every 30 sec to a min. yes... it...does.

Guess i should stop responding to a person that thinks they are better than everyone. At least we are trying to figure this guy out instead of derailing a topic for no reason. I've yet to see anything from you that would help us take down this guy in any way. Thank you for trying to keep this topic from finding real theory's to talk about. We only need a few more of you and you all could debunk all theory's in a matter of seconds, considering you base what you say off of nothing.

[Virtuous Saint]

Wow, just wow.
For the last time, Absolute Virtue does not use Spirit Surge. Actually read posts before responding.

Time does not prove something is absent, it only increases the probability. No matter how much you believe that, it's not true.

I read the post I quoted, oh well, whoever you quoted now knows.

[Ultimagi]

Go look up the many other threads of Absolute Virtue theories that are buried in here. Look at how many ended with the theory being "disproven" by it not working on Call Wyvern. I'm trying to keep this theory ALIVE by not allowing people to disprove it on that particular ability.

[Yabby]

Did you know i just won the lotto 3 times today, freaking shit.

[Ultimagi]

0.002817% ...

That's not 0%.
You prove my point and continue to condescend me. I'm done here.

[Chrius]

I am worried when people are testing that they will attempt to throw many ideas at once and hope one sticks. Then later figure out which of the several things worked.
I think we should take into consideration that if you lock one 2hour that it may unlock a previously locked 2hour.
In essence, we may have already seen a locked 2hour many times - but unlocking it makes us believe it was never locked in the first place.