AV video solved? - Torque Theory Only

[Deader2818]

The thought of giving a justice torque to a rdm hurts.

Unless, that RDM also has DRK or SAM at 75

[D44kpunk]

I don't think anybody is accepting anything. It is the rare AV theory that we don't know is wrong immediately and it is a very nice change of topic. And you're wrong, if this is how you kill it, WE are retarded.

Except for the fact that this has probably already been suggested when people were suggesting jailer weapons just no one took it seriously.

[Lordwafik]

So, after all this time, when we thought the secret was jailor weapons... we were half right?

Not untill this is proven correct

[Deader2818]

I do like how people are just throwing this idea out the window when its actually a passable idea that is easily tested.

Its better then just saying "OH WELL, WE ARE NEVER MEANT TO KILL AV! DDD:: Q_Q"

[Shuemue]

Oh and Jornna, you should /c a few JP black mages, they fucking LOVE int

[Kaylia]

The thought of giving a justice torque to a rdm hurts.

I would hope most samurai and darknight out there have a mage job leveled. I'm pretty sure you can find one that answers both requirement.

[Ramses]

Except for the fact that this has probably already been suggested when people were suggesting jailer weapons just no one took it seriously.

The thing is, jailer weapons were debunked well before the video. The concept of matching two hours came from the video. So by the time we were matching two hours, we assumed equipment theories were tested already and we never tried them together.

[Sho]

Except for the fact that this has probably already been suggested when people were suggesting jailer weapons just no one took it seriously.

Why would anyone believe it at the time? Especially now with the Odin Fight, one has to /heal or /kneel to try and avoid Zantetsuken-- I wouldn't put it past SE to do shit like this.

[TummieGaruda]

I do like how people are just throwing this idea out the window when its actually a passable idea that is easily tested.

Its better then just saying "OH WELL, WE ARE NEVER MEANT TO KILL AV! DDD:: Q_Q"

Well this is a theory that was definitely overlooked, or wasn't taken seriously. Also, no other new theories have come out lately, might as well cover all bases...

[Gwynplaine]

Obligatory nationalist sentiment post advocating NA do it before JP that borders on racism.

[Ramses]

Based on the times in the log, and the fact that they used their 2 hours multiple times, once could suggest that it was multiple attempts patched together and not draw conclusions from their locking/not locking of previous 2hours (i.e. how that rdm used CS when AV 2houred, but then it CSd later in the clip still).

This should be pretty easy to test, no reason to debate it here until it is.

For reference, this is the timeline:

Timeline:
This is the time line of SE's fight with Absolute Virtue, it is very short and concise. Credit goes to Atreides of Fairy.

1. Iceday 12:10, Call Wyvern (from English Video, part 3)
player 2hrs used: blm, pld, smn, drg (call wyvern), rdm, brd, blm

2. Iceday 14:42, Soul Voice (from Japanese Video, part 1 and German Video, part 2)
player 2hrs used: blm, smn, blm, drg, brd, brd, sam, whm, blm, drk, blm, rdm

3. Iceday 16:14, 100 Fists (from French Video, part 2)
player 2hrs used: blm, brd, blm, brd, smn, rdm

4. Iceday 16:55, Meikyo Shisui (from Japanese Video, part 2 and German Video, Part 3)
player 2hrs used: blm, brd, blm, sam, drg, brd, smn, rdm, drk, brd

5. Lightningsday 5:07 Chainspell (from English Video, part 2 and French Video, part 3)
player 2hrs used: blm, brd, rdm, brd

6. Lightningsday 6:50 Soul Voice (from English Video part 1)
player 2hrs used: pld, blm, whm, blm, sam, drg, whm, smn, blm, blm, brd, drk, rdm, brd, brd

7. Lightningsday 8:55 Astral Flow (from French Video, part 1 and German Video, part 1)
player 2hrs used: blm, blm, blm, brd, rdm, brd, blm, drg, smn, whm, rdm, drk

8. Lightningsday 13:55 Astral Flow (from Japanese Video, part 3)
player 2hrs used: pld, blm, smn, brd, drg, blm, blm, pld, blm, rdm, brd, rdm


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http://www.bluegartr.com/forum/ffxi-...xperience.html

This timeline really doesn't help support this theory as AV uses two hours that players used earlier, but there it is.

[frodnonnag]

my opinion, take with a brick of salt, etc.

prepatch: 2houring in conjunction with AV has a CHANCE of locking that particular 2hour. weapons, torques increase that chance.


postpatch: 2houring in conjunction with AV will lock that 2hour, or has a greater chance. weapons, torques increase or guarantee that chance.

apply ebon panels as needed.


have there been any serious post patch AV attempts, or has it all been about gung-ho PW runs with 40 blus?

[astura]

If you look at 2hours i listed past page you see there seems to be a pendulum effect of scared>calm<pissed at various levels
Now if this is truly a pendulum effect it would indicate there is a way to balance it so it stays at calm the majority of the time. Now whether it would be hate or dmg is hard to tell and is the trial part. incidently it would indicate that if you could prevent going into the defensive portion (defensive or offensive) you would prevent the endurance 2 hours. Also this patern could explain why it would go chainspell>manafont or other combination (could indicate a change in its hate direction from defensive to more defensive or defensive to more aggressive etc)

[Neosutra]

For reference, this is the timeline:

Timeline:
This is the time line of SE's fight with Absolute Virtue, it is very short and concise. Credit goes to Atreides of Fairy.

1. Iceday 12:10, Call Wyvern (from English Video, part 3)
player 2hrs used: blm, pld, smn, drg (call wyvern), rdm, brd, blm

2. Iceday 14:42, Soul Voice (from Japanese Video, part 1 and German Video, part 2)
player 2hrs used: blm, smn, blm, drg, brd, brd, sam, whm, blm, drk, blm, rdm

3. Iceday 16:14, 100 Fists (from French Video, part 2)
player 2hrs used: blm, brd, blm, brd, smn, rdm

4. Iceday 16:55, Meikyo Shisui (from Japanese Video, part 2 and German Video, Part 3)
player 2hrs used: blm, brd, blm, sam, drg, brd, smn, rdm, drk, brd

5. Lightningsday 5:07 Chainspell (from English Video, part 2 and French Video, part 3)
player 2hrs used: blm, brd, rdm, brd

6. Lightningsday 6:50 Soul Voice (from English Video part 1)
player 2hrs used: pld, blm, whm, blm, sam, drg, whm, smn, blm, blm, brd, drk, rdm, brd, brd

7. Lightningsday 8:55 Astral Flow (from French Video, part 1 and German Video, part 1)
player 2hrs used: blm, blm, blm, brd, rdm, brd, blm, drg, smn, whm, rdm, drk

8. Lightningsday 13:55 Astral Flow (from Japanese Video, part 3)
player 2hrs used: pld, blm, smn, brd, drg, blm, blm, pld, blm, rdm, brd, rdm


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http://www.bluegartr.com/forum/ffxi-...xperience.html

This timeline really doesn't help support this theory as AV uses two hours that players used earlier, but there it is.

So either:

1. The brd/smn/sam/rdm werent using torques in that fight and thus never locked it.
2. Or there is only a chance to lock it every time you do it.
3. Or SE patched a few things together (Not likely since timeline is pretty linear?)

Either way, unless 2houring(while wearing your torque) after AV 2hours resets your own 2 hour, then its obvious SE just auto-reset them for those characters to emphasize us using our 2 hours when he does (apparently with torques).

Hope someone gets a chance to test this before our JoLs this sat.. I dont think I have a rdm with justice torque Q.Q.

[Lordwafik]

Neo, I think there's a chance for error in anything in FFXI no matter how good the theory or strategy. Consider there's floors and caps 20% / 95% where things can hit or miss.

[Gtype954]

FF games have all been about the crystal... This game is no different. elemental staves, obi's, Stars, Days, HQ NQ crafting.... it all revolves around 8 elements and the 8 day elemental cycle.
The strongest mob in the game can drop all 8 clusters of any element. Perhaps the trick is the elements.
He is a wind based mob and therefore weak to ice, also thundersday is right after iceday so he could be best to try to get a timed pop on iceday.
Ice is also the only element in the game to which a job does not have a 2 hr for.
Every jobs 2 hr has an element to it. All 7 elements excluding ice as I just mentioned.

Perhaps turning him to face that crystal will cause him to 2 hr more of that element. Perhaps turning him to the weak crystal star would weaken the effect of the 2 hr.

Example... chainspell is lightning, perhaps moving him to face the earth crystal and of course having baraero up would weaken the effects of his chainspell.

Perhaps having him face the lightning star when he uses manafont, which is a water based 2 hr,would weaken his meteors.

Facing the wind direction when he uses invincible will lower the duration of that 2 hr.

Facing the Light direction when he uses Blood weapon will lower the duration of the spell.

Facing The Dark direction forces him to not be able to use benediction, while facing the light star can cause it to use it more often so that you can lock it. (if there is a way to lock or supress it).

Now i dont have Brd and Bst unlocked, but I assume both those 2 hrs are Light element, if one of them is ice element then I would be wrong in my above statement about there not being an ice 2 hr.

I'm not sure if you can lock his 2 hrs.... down to the very last hit that SE killed him, a 2hr went off. enough of the teasing, show us gear of 1 character, maybe him gear swapping form the menu or something lol... the fight is 2 hrs now... show us a full video, or an unedited video of the ending.

People tried matching torques and weapons with his 2 hrs and nothing resets the 2hr, and there is no sign or "stunning" "interuppting" or "weakening" his 2 hr.

Notice how the virtue stone says all jobs on it, then under it it says "virtue" .... never knew why they put that part "virtue" under the discription the way it is.
According to the video you don't need the weapon, and I doubt you need a torque with the horrible drop-rate that it is, But maybe you just need the Actual stone in the ammo box... try 2 houring when you see his dustcloud animation and see if it dispensed one of your stones.
try the torque theory, try it with virtue stones at x99 to see if one dispenses for whatever reason in the fight. (without using a jailer weapon of course)... we know the trick has to do with 2 houring... but how. Many ppl have perfectly timed ALL their 2 hours to go off when he did his.. and it does NOT work, it does not reset the 2 hr either.

If the 2 hours could indeed reset and the rest of your JAs... then I could see ppl easily surviving chainspell when you got many benedictions going off.. and many pld magic shields fealty soul voice light carol going off for manafont.

one thing is for sure... his most dangerous spell that makes him unkillable, is well the one that doesn't kill you.... benediction is the only reason why he does not die, and maybe his regen.

[Tubbers]

I doubt this works, but it still merits testing because nobody tests anything on him now anyway.

I would, however, like to point out that if any random no posts or anon person had posted this, instead of it being taken from some JP Blog translated by Elmer, that nobody would care at all, and everyone would call the OP a moron.

Edit: Kinda like how the above guy is going to get flamed to hell and back in about 5 minutes.

Edit 2: Another interesting thing to consider is, during all the Kraken AV zergs, did anyone ever see him use Blood Weapon? If he didn't, that adds at least something to this theory.

[Rocl]

A little birdie told me it's fighting AV right now, and got it to 89% by locking Benediction, Chainspell, Mijin Gakure, and Manafont with some variation of the above method.

It keeps regenning to 100% though, on account of Darksday faggotry.

FIRST LEGIT ABSOLUTE VIRTUE KILL EVER INC?

[Ramses]

So either:

1. The brd/smn/sam/rdm werent using torques in that fight and thus never locked it.
2. Or there is only a chance to lock it every time you do it.
3. Or SE patched a few things together (Not likely since timeline is pretty linear?)

Either way, unless 2houring(while wearing your torque) after AV 2hours resets your own 2 hour, then its obvious SE just auto-reset them for those characters to emphasize us using our 2 hours when he does (apparently with torques).

Hope someone gets a chance to test this before our JoLs this sat.. I dont think I have a rdm with justice torque Q.Q.

I have a justice torque, but my rdm is 41. We are doing two jols next Tuesday and I doubt I can go 41-75 by then. I think we have 5 or 6 justice torques altogether and you know I don't think any of them have 75 rdm. One of them has maat's cap but I think he left rdm at 66 and has been on a break the last couple of months anyway. If this theory happens to hold true, it may just turn out that you just have to wear any sea torque since they are all equipped by any job. Even if they do need to be job specific, I doubt the correlation would be too complex as SE had expected us to figure this out a long time ago.

[Ramses]

A little birdie told me it's fighting AV right now, and got it to 89% by locking Benediction, Chainspell, Mijin Gakure, and Manafont with some variation of the above method.

It keeps regenning to 100% though, on account of Darksday faggotry.

FIRST LEGIT ABSOLUTE VIRTUE KILL EVER INC?

That's a silly birdie not waiting until firesday when there is a two hour time limit.