Debate on Legitimacy of Astralburning

[Max™]

Well, honestly the worst thing I can see them doing is some bullshit like "the effect of Astral Flow when under level sync has been addressed."

I personally have done the old aggro pull trick for lower level parties of friends many times.

Just go /sit in front of anything they would level off of in the area/anything that might aggro them... then stand there and let them pull shit off of you.

Oh shit...

Carpenter's Landing... the first spot off Nsandy has like, a bajillion mobs right there all around lower dunes level.

[Max™]

Oops, I know how they'd nerf it.

Implementing some sort of exp penalty on mobs which have aggroed someone higher level than your party.

[Mafai]

Oops, I know how they'd nerf it.

Implementing some sort of exp penalty on mobs which have aggroed someone higher level than your party.

Yea, they could just base it on who is on the hate list. This would suck for PLing also...

Back in the day, PL's could keep spikes on and deal dmg to the mobs without effecting the xp of the person they were PL'ing. It seems they actually took PLing into consideration, or they could've just read the levels of people on the hate list, instead of people who only dealt dmg to the mob.

[Greatguardian]

Hey. Hey guys. Hey. Did you know? If you set up your party juuuuuust right (2 Brds, 3 Wars, 1 Rdm), you can hit infinite chains in certain ToAU areas without any downtime, or need for a tank, making over 20k/hr exp!

Better not tell anyone. They may nerf the game to reduce damage done per swing when a DD has over 40% total Haste.

[Cairthenn]

You can get 150. Also, we lost chain at the beginning.

Really, this thread needs to go away. Enough people on Bismarck do it already. Leave the ones who are oblivious that way.

[Day]

You can get 150. Also, we lost chain at the beginning.

Really, this thread needs to go away. Enough people on Bismarck do it already. Leave the ones who are oblivious that way.

So you post a SS of chain 150 to encourage people to NOT do it????

[Cairthenn]

My train of thought: it works, okay, thread can go away before it gets nerfed.

But on second thought, screenshot removed.

[Avarice]

This thread has reached levels of stupidity I thought were never possible. Pat yourselves on the back, guys.

See you in a few years when I'm still doing this and waiting for the "inevitable" nerf.

[Cairthenn]

I suppose you've talked to SGM about it then like myself after being jailed for doing it?

[Greatguardian]

I suppose you've talked to SGM about it then like myself after being jailed for doing it?

How long ago was that? My group JUST talked to a GM WHILE doing this trick last week, explained to him exactly what we were doing, and even had a JP jailed momentarily for voking off of our train. Stop trying to scare people out of trying this method of exp'ing. It's no different than TP or Mana burning. And honestly, your average player doesn't have the skill to put together a successful and well-run Astral Burn party out of the blue anyways. They're best done among friends. So don't you worry about losing your camps.

[Airenn]

A few things, saying you got Chain #150... I'm sorry, but that's a bit exaggerated. And even if it wasn't, there's no way to pull that many without either losing some, or causing people's games to crash due to the immense power it requires to have 150+ mobs loaded on their screen, let alone when dualboxing with mules.

Despite all this, what level did you sync to for Korroloka? Would be nice to try new places.

It is not exaggerated.

FFXI only loads 50 mobs at a time, btw.

[Cairthenn]

My reply was in regards to Avarice, who stated it wouldn't be nerfed in any way. After talking to a SGM a week or two ago, theres a good chance it could. Less wide-spread the better.

[Day]

See you in a few years when I'm still doing this and waiting for the "inevitable" nerf.

Asking for it. Gonna LOL when this post is in some "delicous quotes" thread.

My reply was in regards to Avarice, who stated it wouldn't be nerfed in any way. After talking to a SGM a week or two ago, theres a good chance it could. Less wide-spread the better.

Which is why I'm wondering why you would post SS of the 150+ chain???

[socoxak]

You can get 150. Also, we lost chain at the beginning.

Really, this thread needs to go away. Enough people on Bismarck do it already. Leave the ones who are oblivious that way.

^

I suppose you've talked to SGM about it then like myself after being jailed for doing it?

Really? Haven't heard of anyone else being jailed unless you specifically tell someone to not touch the monsters.

[Greatguardian]

My reply was in regards to Avarice, who stated it wouldn't be nerfed in any way. After talking to a SGM a week or two ago, theres a good chance it could. Less wide-spread the better.

Funny thing, Avarice is the member of my burn SP that made that GM call, lol. So yes, he's talked to a GM about it. And I agree, I highly doubt there will be a nerf here. May as well nerf Melee dmg when getting over 40% Haste (Gear cap of 25% plus 15% from the Haste spell alone).

Edit: Go ahead and put me in the delicious quotes pre-Astral Nerf thread if you want. But trying to cover this up because a bunch of people got burned on Salvage duping is just stupid. Wanting to cover it up to keep camps open is ridiculously selfish as well. Let people try it. If they can't pull it off, they'll wipe epicly and you'll have your camp back. No harm done.

[Avarice]

It is not exaggerated.

FFXI only loads 50 mobs at a time, btw.

Bit late there, bud.

My reply was in regards to Avarice, who stated it wouldn't be nerfed in any way. After talking to a SGM a week or two ago, theres a good chance it could. Less wide-spread the better.

Well I'll be sure to bump this thread in a year's time and we can take it from there. I'm sticking by my "it wont be nerfed" because if SE wanted to nerf Astral Flow they would have done it years ago.

[Airenn]

I wrote up a lil guide on how to do this, since Maf can't yell at me for telling people anymore, I kinda wanna post it.

Then again, he's done and doesn't care! I am still around and don't want people doing this a lot. Hmmm. And the whole "it getting nerfed" is only part of the reason, I just don't want ppl doing it here.

[Airenn]

Bit late there, bud.



Well I'll be sure to bump this thread in a year's time and we can take it from there. I'm sticking by my "it wont be nerfed" because if SE wanted to nerf Astral Flow they would have done it years ago.

Not really as an actual number was not given out, and the more people telling you it's not an exaggeration the more likely you'll probably not be stubborn and believe it.

And you say that, but hay dupes took them a year and a half to "fix."

I'm not one of those people who says it IS going to be nerfed or isn't. I don' care, it can go either way, if it is then oh well.

I use this shit for merits, and hell I just regular exped last night. Either way, I don't care, this just happens to be fun.

[Hapernack]

@Anyone comparing this to item duplication or suggesting the possibilities of bannings...

This is not an exploit. This is not debateable. This was done before level sync was invented. Its been around for 5+ years, don't think its going away anytime soon.

For anyone suggesting its an exploit of any kind:

-Utilization of an added feature within the game by its developer for its intended purpose without altering the feature in any way/shape/form is not an exploit.

-Utilizing a higher level character to assist you in your leveling whether its hate-related, healing-related, or otherwise is not an exploit. SE isn't gonna take away "helping people" from its game. You are retarded if you even think otherwise.

-Using a natural ability as given by the developers for its intended purpose is not an exploit. Kraken DRKs and meleeburn styles would not continue to exist if this was an actual problem. Before anyone gets all sex nuts and retard strong on me, I'm gonna remind you that SE simply made certain mobs immune or resistant to this style of killing (hi2u AV/PW/Einherjar bosses) and that was it. If they don't want a mob killed by a certain style, they'll make it so and quickly. Several years have gone by. They dont care.

-Using area of effect spells to affect multiple mobs at once is not an exploit.

-The fast progression of pull/attack/kill/repeat is not an exploit. Its called "partying" and many people do it. Good merit PTs can destroy an entire area without any effort. The concept here is the same. Merit PTs will not be outlawed ever. Hence neither shall this.

Also for those of you keeping it hush-hush... why? Its already out there undeleted on pretty much every forum. Anyone with interest in it is already using this new method out the ass. If you wanted to "keep it quiet", you're several years too late. Not to mention getting 75s this way leaves you with a literally 100% un-skilled job since if you're in a leech spot, you get no skill ups of any kind. Weapons, Parrying, Evasion, etc none of that happens so now you've got to skill up for all eternity in the hellhole that is FFXI skilling. It has its downside just as much as its upside. It just makes things more convenient for those of us just trying to get 75s up.

[Day]

Arrowburns and shit weren't an exploit either dawg.