Debate on Legitimacy of Astralburning

[Airenn]

Arrowburns and shit weren't an exploit either dawg.

Concurring this. Also, what happened when they found out BLMs manaburned and didn't EXP in normal parties anymore?

They didn't change it, cause manaburns really aren't getting this kind of exp, BUT they did try to give BLMs incentives to be in parties.

Again, we know it's not an exploit, but the amount of exp you can accumulate is *MUCH* greater than any Manaburn/War Burn. And it's exclusive to SMNs, and it's monopolizing monsters.

Also,SE COULD say "this is not how they intended AF to work" or "how they wanted Wild Card to be used" etc etc.

Edit: Lastly, yea, as I said, I want this shit hush hush for more than the "SE knowing reason." Don't want people on my server as competition/struggling with it.

[Hapernack]

Concurring this. Also, what happened when they found out BLMs manaburned and didn't EXP in normal parties anymore?

They didn't change it, cause manaburns really aren't getting this kind of exp, BUT they did try to give BLMs incentives to be in parties.

Again, we know it's not an exploit, but the amount of exp you can accumulate is *MUCH* greater than any Manaburn/War Burn. And it's exclusive to SMNs, and it's monopolizing monsters.

Also,SE COULD say "this is not how they intended AF to work" or "how they wanted Wild Card to be used" etc etc.

Edit: Lastly, yea, as I said, I want this shit hush hush for more than the "SE knowing reason." Don't want people on my server as competition/struggling with it.

Ok since we're keeping it "hush hush" I'll be brief then.

First off, you apparently don't know the "proper way" based on the statements you've been making. Its not exclusive to SMNs if you do it right.

You can't possibly think this wasn't how AF was supposed to work or else SMN-burning anything in the game (CoP missions, BCNMs, etc) would have been looked at.

Wild Card was definately meant to restore 2hrs and to be used as such or else... it wouldn't restore your 2hrs lol.

If people cared to take the time to really learn how to do it right... yeah we'd have a problem on our hands. As it stands, there's only 1 group on my whole server who knows how to do it right, and I'm part of it. So far so good because I haven't read about any server totally overclogged at these "SMN-burn" camps.

[Kipling]

The first rule about SMN burns is we do not talk about SMN burns.

The second rule about SMN burns is we do not talk about SMN burns.

Wish people would quit talking about it before SE decides to nerf the shit.

And the thread title couldn't be any more inconspicuous! >_>

This, ugh.

[Day]

Why don't you talk about them? eh? eh?

(Or do you still have me blocked because everytime I post behind you I remind everyone that you stole that guy's shit?)

[Airenn]

Ok since we're keeping it "hush hush" I'll be brief then.

First off, you apparently don't know the "proper way" based on the statements you've been making. Its not exclusive to SMNs if you do it right.

You can't possibly think this wasn't how AF was supposed to work or else SMN-burning anything in the game (CoP missions, BCNMs, etc) would have been looked at.

Wild Card was definately meant to restore 2hrs and to be used as such or else... it wouldn't restore your 2hrs lol.

If people cared to take the time to really learn how to do it right... yeah we'd have a problem on our hands. As it stands, there's only 1 group on my whole server who knows how to do it right, and I'm part of it. So far so good because I haven't read about any server totally overclogged at these "SMN-burn" camps.

Considering it takes 3-4 SMNs to do the burn AND you still need the Syncee (assuming it's not a SMN, that's very risky), that takes up 4-5 party spots as is, leaving 1-2 for a "leech"...

And then that's if the SMNs let leeches in, cause they could do it by themselves and net better exp. So, yea, it's a SMN thing, requiring SMNs for a SMN heavy party with only a couple slots for others to be in the party and again.

They are leeching. Not doing a damn thing. Sitting there. Netting EXP off the SMNs work.

Comparing this to missions and what not does not relate at all. That's a 1-3 mob fight at most usually, and isn't killing 50+ mobs at the same time and netting that kind of exp.

That's a strategy for a fight that you do once (generally.) And MOST of those were WAY before COR came along, so if you fucked up, you had to wait two hours before trying again.

[Riel]

I kept seeing Minidragon's mules shouting in WG offering 30k to the first COR to reset 2hrs. Normally I wouldn't think anything of it, but it went on for days and was fairly frequent, so I did some /searching...

I saw Minidragon (via /search) go from 51PUP to 75PUP in one day, while in Korroloka Tunnel the entire time.

This should probably be patched.

[Mafai]

we did his PUP and SCH to 75 in 2 days i believe.

[Day]

I kept seeing Minidragon's mules shouting in WG offering 30k to the first COR to reset 2hrs. Normally I wouldn't think anything of it, but it went on for days and was fairly frequent, so I did some /searching...

I saw Minidragon (via /search) go from 51PUP to 75PUP in one day, while in Korroloka Tunnel the entire time.

This should probably be patched.

I'm going to report it so I have every right to ride my moral high horse into town on patch day.

[Hapernack]

And then that's if the SMNs let leeches in, cause they could do it by themselves and net better exp. So, yea, it's a SMN thing, requiring SMNs for a SMN heavy party with only a couple slots for others to be in the party and again.

They are leeching. Not doing a damn thing. Sitting there. Netting EXP off the SMNs work.

Comparing this to missions and what not does not relate at all. That's a 1-3 mob fight at most usually, and isn't killing 50+ mobs at the same time and netting that kind of exp.

That's a strategy for a fight that you do once (generally.) And MOST of those were WAY before COR came along, so if you fucked up, you had to wait two hours before trying again.

Y'know what... I'm just going to leave it like this. Its better if most people think that's how it is.

However one little addendum... Missions and BCs aren't comparable. You're right... in helping my case that is. Missions and BCs result in the acquisition of gil-sellable items or sought-after gear that can screw with the economy or in the progression of a storyline. If anything, they'd be more serious of an infraction of our abilities to kill things really quickly when level capped.

[Neosutra]

Blm manaburn in sea was within game mechanics and this can be patched with minimal coding. Dont be naive to assume SE wont fix an easily fixed problem that allows players to bypass their designed method of achieving xp.

And with that: Just let the thread die Q.Q. This will be fixed eventually, enjoy it while you can, dont shout about it in whitegate, dont post links to it in the smn forum on alla, and dont spend another week debating with each other on the morality of it.

[Airenn]

Y'know what... I'm just going to leave it like this. Its better if most people think that's how it is.

However one little addendum... Missions and BCs aren't comparable. You're right... in helping my case that is. Missions and BCs result in the acquisition of gil-sellable items or sought-after gear that can screw with the economy or in the progression of a storyline. If anything, they'd be more serious of an infraction of our abilities to kill things really quickly when level capped.

No, because again, BLMs duoing KC or OUryu and things like that -- it's all a strat, something completely different.

Edit to end it, I'm gonna have to agree with Neo.

[Avarice]

That's a strategy for a fight that you do once (generally.) And MOST of those were WAY before COR came along, so if you fucked up, you had to wait two hours before trying again.

Or go to Brenner.
Or Ballista.
Or Besieged.

Having fewer people doesn't increase the exp gain, it decreases the exp penalty. Getting chains at Lv20 in Delkfutt's Tower is gonna give you 300xp per mob regardless of if you had two people in the party, or six. So no, it's not a "SMN-onry" thing.

All this stupid shit about keeping it quiet, it's fucking retarded. This has been around for five years. If it wasn't nerfed then, it's not gonna be nerfed now. End of Story. End of Thread. Move the fuck on.

Edit: Why the fuck isn't this in Advanced by this point?

[Neosutra]

Or go to Brenner.
Or Ballista.
Or Besieged.

Having fewer people doesn't increase the exp gain, it decreases the exp penalty. Getting chains at Lv20 in Delkfutt's Tower is gonna give you 300xp per mob regardless of if you had two people in the party, or six. So no, it's not a "SMN-onry" thing.

All this stupid shit about keeping it quiet, it's fucking retarded. This has been around for five years. If it wasn't nerfed then, it's not gonna be nerfed now. End of Story. End of Thread. Move the fuck on.

Edit: Why the fuck isn't this in Advanced by this point?

Things get nerfed based on how mainstream they become typically, and typically very soon after being debated in threads like this... on this forum.

[Airenn]

Or go to Brenner.
Or Ballista.
Or Besieged.

Having fewer people doesn't increase the exp gain, it decreases the exp penalty. Getting chains at Lv20 in Delkfutt's Tower is gonna give you 300xp per mob regardless of if you had two people in the party, or six. So no, it's not a "SMN-onry" thing.

All this stupid shit about keeping it quiet, it's fucking retarded. This has been around for five years. If it wasn't nerfed then, it's not gonna be nerfed now. End of Story. End of Thread. Move the fuck on.

Edit: Why the fuck isn't this in Advanced by this point?

I really don't say how anyone can say it's not a "SMn only thing" when it... it requires SMNs. You... can't do it without them. Whether you have leechers or not makes no difference, because it is a SMN only thing.

Wow, this isn't complicated game mechanics. You can't AF on a PUP. Or ANY other job besides, hey, Summoner!

And people saying it's been around for 5 years are retarded, because "this particular way of exping" has NOT been around for 5 years.

Summoners @ 75 can't pull 150 mobs and then AF them. Want to know why? It's really simple. But I'll let you figure it out, you seem pretty smart.

[Day]

With that attitude you have me begging that they will nerf it. I been playing devils advocate for the most part so far in this thread but the way Avarice and Hapernack are acting about it, it makes me want to report it everyday until something is done. Enjoy your XP I bet it tastes good with that shitty attitude.

[Avarice]

And people saying it's been around for 5 years are retarded, because "this particular way of exping" has NOT been around for 5 years.

Summoners @ 75 can't pull 150 mobs and then AF them. Want to know why? It's really simple. But I'll let you figure it out, you seem pretty smart.

That's cool man, please point out to me where I said the Summoners are all Lv75.

With that attitude you have me begging that they will nerf it. I been playing devils advocate for the most part so far in this thread but the way Avarice and Hapernack are acting about it, it makes me want to report it everyday until something is done. Enjoy your XP I bet it tastes good with that shitty attitude.

Be my guest, Bub. It's easy exp, but not the only exp. The only thing you'll get out of reporting it is being told you're wasting the GM's time.

[Airenn]

That's cool man, please point out to me where I said the Summoners are all Lv75.

Oh god. It's like talking to a 10year old.

You said "this has been around for 5 years."

Level sync has NOT been round for 5 years. This kind of exp scaling has NOT been around for years -- Only since Level sync has been implemented.

[Neosutra]

With that attitude you have me begging that they will nerf it. I been playing devils advocate for the most part so far in this thread but the way Avarice and Hapernack are acting about it, it makes me want to report it everyday until something is done. Enjoy your XP I bet it tastes good with that shitty attitude.

Because 2-3 people being asses is worth screwing it up for everyone. Nice logic.

[Day]

Because 2-3 people being asses is worth screwing it up for everyone. Nice logic.

Everyone can't do this. Only summoners. w.

[Neosutra]

Ive lost my respect for this species.