Help with Dark Ixion >:

[BerenTebogo]

#1 "Dark Ixion recives the effect of elegy" You sure about that? so unless they made him comeplty immune in a recent update since the last time i fought him i'm pretty sure it does.

#2 sometimes he does back to back TP moves, and at some point they do become unavoidable, it's ussaly only rampart stance tho. i always survive them anyway..

I'd like to see SS of elegy landing. My BRD is gimp as hell so I'm not going by my rate. Don't think I've ever seen it land.

You can clearly see both the animation that sets it into b2b TP move mode and the effect that stays on him and when it wears off. They're never unavoidable unless you're unwilling to interrupt a spell to move out of the way.

[Shin Volcano]

You're not standing far enough away if you get hit at all with a TP move unless you got bound by it and your whm doesn't erase fast enough. There is no such thing as unavoidable long as everyone does their job properly.

What? I am the whm..and i am speaking in regards to me running up to use barthunder, i don't tank him lol fuck that, i mean when i run up to use it after a tp move he sometimes does them back to back, i can get out of range in time, and sometimes i can't what are you talking about? (must be a miscommunication thing again)

[BerenTebogo]

Tanks should never get hit with TP moves making barthundra irrelevant is basically what we're getting at.

[Shin Volcano]

Tanks should never get hit with TP moves making barthundra irrelevant is basically what we're getting at.

This is true, but ours did sometimes. our main tank got lazy and just took most of the hits, which is why i started casting it, he wasnt taking much damage tho, so i guess it worked out. (from zeus and spear)

[BerenTebogo]

Going to stop commenting on this thread now since up until 10 seconds ago I was indifferent towards you, which is about as close to me being friendly as you're going to get.

Then I read the Denali Bonnet argument in the gimp and confused player thread.

And now I'm going to walk away, because if I kill you with my words it will make TBR mad. And that will be annoying for me.

Good bye.

[Shin Volcano]

Good choice, it's safer to back down when you know you can't win, words hurt me really? good luck trying, I'm immune to E-Thugs. i'v already seen a few retards so far, walk away quitelty.

This is also as nice as you'll get from me either, consider it a warning.

[jetta]

I'd like to see SS of elegy landing. My BRD is gimp as hell so I'm not going by my rate. Don't think I've ever seen it land.

You can clearly see both the animation that sets it into b2b TP move mode and the effect that stays on him and when it wears off. They're never unavoidable unless you're unwilling to interrupt a spell to move out of the way.

With ES i've never failed to land Elegy. I've never got it to land without ES though

[Killkenny]

Elegy and slow both land, have similar resist rates to khim and cerb so most ls typically bring along a couple of /blm brd and rdm.

To suggest a tank should never get hit with tp moves is the most retarded statement I've seen all week (its only Tuesday though). If you are attempting to avoid tp moves you will get hit every so often for a number of reasons:

Whilst charging spear/zeus it can turn randomly and you will not always have time to completely outrun spear so there is a chance it will turn and hit you.

After Ixion 'howls' (similar motion to sarameya) its attack speed will go up significantly, even with slow and elegy on a hit or two normally get through. Also in this mode it has the ability to use 2 of the same tp moves back to back, which normally is fine and gives you some time to get shadows up etc.

When actions are performed from behind Ixion (they don't need to pull hate or anything) it will do kick which is 50/50 on whether you can outrun or not (mostly dependant on your positioning before it starts). This move wipes shadows and if ixion comes straight for you after it, theres a good chance you will get hit once before shadows go back up.

So, even tanking it purely defensively ixion still has plenty of ways to get a few hits in, and every time he does hit you he can grav or bind you which probably means you'll get hit by another tp move.


Our ls has gotten comfortable at killing Ixion, so to speed up kills tanks don't run from stance normally, only run from spear/zeus and try to avoid kick. This keeps ixion in one place longer allow melees and rngs to damage it more freely.

As for gear, MDT > MDB is the way to go, even as lolnin tank with only -12% MDT and +7 MDB in gear, with shell V his spear/zeus rarely does over 600 damage. A pld and rdm would be able to get this damage much lower without needing any rare gear.

[Alibeemac]

75 kills for us now. After the first couple which were a bit messy as to be expected, we figured out a way that works for us. Not every LS uses the same method to tank so it is purely down to what works for your LS. I have seen 3-4 different methods on our server.

We have 2 tanks, one one either side with the tanks standing far enough apart that if one gets hit by stance the other doesn't get hit. I have tanked it myself a couple times and it isn't hugely hard to tank if you watch for the animations. Basically if you see the lightning on the horn run out of range to the side, not straight or spear will most likely still get you. Running to the side avoids both Zeus and Spear.

WHMs don't use Barthunder since theres no point really as tanks should be running from TP moves. BRDs use Pianissmo and won't get hit from ledges. Only people who die are dumb melee who don't pay attention and are too busy trying to show their epeen dmg rather than running from TP moves. Amuses me when they are lying dead on the ground with their 300tp still intact and they get kicked from alliance :D

Just takes a couple tries to practice then you'll get smoother kills.

Edit: Remember Echo Drops just incase you get hit by Zeus!

[Killkenny]

Bad luck can get you killed, its not just E peen. Kick frequently does well over 1k to a typical sam/thf (my own experience) and stance seems to be able to randomly do massive damage (I have seen as high as 1.8k) on random people it hits.

[Colenzo]

go in with third eye up, do your shit and dont be a noob

[Killkenny]

Stance and Kick both wipe 3rd eye.

[Kaiyoko]

Stance and Kick both wipe 3rd eye.

You should be at max hit box range when WSing or TPing on it. So like I said above people should not be getting hit by those things and losing 3rdeye. Moving diagonally closer and away will help you avoid kicks. Keep in mind like I said you need to be at max hit box range which is quiet large away from ixion's actual body. I've been able to tank Ixion on sam for quiet a long time just because this method, although I've died a few times because of third eye being taken off in one anticipate.

Another thing.. I seen you use sam/thf which decreases your survivability from my experience because of the pause you have when using SA and also the WS pause. I guess if you're blinking at the right moment you wouldn't need to worry about that though. Just my 2 cents on the sub >.>

[Killkenny]

I know all the tricks to avoiding his attacks, I was simply pointing out that both his physical tp moves wipe 3rd eye. I've pulled hate and tanked ixion for periods of time very often with sucess, in defense gear his hits generally do around 100 damage and normally possible to outrun stance.

My point was only that you don't have to be retarded or seeking E peen damage to get killed by ixion, he can kill you even if you're doing everything right.

[Kaiyoko]

I know all the tricks to avoiding his attacks, I was simply pointing out that both his physical tp moves wipe 3rd eye. I've pulled hate and tanked ixion for periods of time very often with sucess, in defense gear his hits generally do around 100 damage and normally possible to outrun stance.

My point was only that you don't have to be retarded or seeking E peen damage to get killed by ixion, he can kill you even if you're doing everything right.

Yeah I'll agree with you on that I've been hit for 1k+ normal hit when he wasn't charging randomly.

[Mafai]

Elegy does land.

Yes TP moves are all avoidable, besides when you are bound and WHM or RDM doesnt snag the erase quick enough.

A thunder resist build is the way to go. Wraths and spears (spear should be dodged anyway, just to side instead of a mile away liek wrath) are so weak. If your lazy like me, youd sacrifice the inventory for the time you can spend not trying to dodge TP moves.

[Killkenny]

I take a different view on elemental resistance builds depending on the type of damage you are trying to reduce. The reason fire resist builds are so good on tiamat is because his normal attacks are what you are trying to reduce. The harder his attacks hit you the more hate you lose, whilst its easy for an experienced ls to sustain mp through his flight just using a normal MDB set it takes its toll on hate. In this instance the resist build is just as much about hate as it is about reducing damage.

Ixion however the damage you are reducing damage from AoE attacks, even if you get hit by these attacks it doesn't lower your enmity (I may be way off here but when you have 2 tanks keep hate at cap it should be easy to notice). Therefore the only concern is the damage itself, which is more than managable with just a standard MDB set.

[The Blackrose]

Good choice, it's safer to back down when you know you can't win, words hurt me really? good luck trying, I'm immune to E-Thugs. i'v already seen a few retards so far, walk away quitelty.

This is also as nice as you'll get from me either, consider it a warning.

Consider this a warning too: Keep that attitude up around here and you're out of here. And yeah, Sath knows I'll kill him if he keeps it up too.

As far as Elegy (or any slow) is concerned, we said this in page one: it's a placebo effect for this fight. Ixion attacks as though every attack of his is a TP attack. Bringing Bards /BLM is just a waste of time.

[Killkenny]

Is that proven, I definately do notice a difference in attack speed with slow and elegy on, and I am also aware that all his normal attacks are considered tp attacks due to the "too far" message you can get.

[The Blackrose]

I've had multiple tanks come back and say that they have seen no noticeable difference from having both enfeebles on, or either/or.