Emergency Maintenance Zhayolm Remnants

[frodnonnag]

I don't really see much use for Marduk outside of Elemental Siphon. If I'm using a Blood Pact, then I'm going to use -Timer gear for it. If I'm keeping an avatar out I'll be using -Perpetuation gear.

So yes it has its uses, but it's nowhere near as good as you're trying to make it out to be. Feet and Legs I would get since they're cheap, but I wouldn't lose sleep over not getting them. Tiara just isn't worth it (for me) to upgrade due to the cost.

As for the Sniper+1 comparison, at least you can use the Sniper+1 full time. Tiara is an "every 3 minutes" piece from my perspective. SE failed on the Marduk set for Smn by not including either a -Perp piece nor a -BP piece.

macroing properly, you only need the -bp timer gear for issuing pacts, not landing it, so while the avatar is "readying" the pact, you can switch to a skill or atk/acc build and get the full bonuses of both builds. tiara should also be your default idle piece due to the high +mp, the -enmity and the mnd. you really should be wearing marduk tiara more than you give it credit for.

[Tomiko]

That makes more sense then. So I stand corrected.

[Furionstormrage]

I have no if this is common knowledge by now or not, I got bored with the Marduk de-rail, but we killed Jakko, did 5F, 6F was up and we killed it, then boss tonight. (Timed out at 1%, see last paragraph)

Got a crazy Ziz on 1F that came in, Double-Attacked me for over 300/hit and dropped me dead from full HP (locked). We've had a few beefed up Ziz before but never one that killed anyone that fast.

I have no idea if the frogs were adjusted, 6F went down fast like usual, but 5F took forever to kill and was spamming Water Bomb, to the point that we had a few deaths and that's normally never a problem. (Could just be dumb luck, but figured I would note everything that I noticed). We took so much longer to kill him than normal (with the same setup as always, we've killed him plenty of times) that we timed out with the boss at 1%, and usually clear the zone with a 3-5 minutes left.

[Tsuki]

Got a crazy Ziz on 1F that came in, Double-Attacked me for over 300/hit and dropped me dead from full HP (locked). We've had a few beefed up Ziz before but never one that killed anyone that fast.

lol it was silenced. No gekko/guillitine/anything that can silence ^-^

[Uzor]

Actually, I'd wear Briault for Regen. Damn you SE, damn you to hell.

Oh, damn, you're right. I shouldn't write posts at 5-something AM ~.~

[rithridan]

Did Zhay just now and can confirm aswell that killing 2F/Jakko/3FS/5FN works to pop 6F and that Zhay is still such an ass for not dropping anything(macha's) when certain members are there.

[Yugl]

lol it was silenced. No gekko/guillitine/anything that can silence ^-^

Really? What other mobs gets beefed when they're silenced (Or any other effect for that matter).

[DAKPluto]

That makes more sense then. So I stand corrected.

He is correct. If you start the BP in timer gear, then switch to your damage/skill gear after the timer registers but before the damage is calucated, you get both. And as I'm sure you know, SMN skill now affects avatar accuracy on physical blood pacts, so the Sniper +1 analogy actually does come back into play. (Although to be honest, we really have no idea at this time how much SMN skill is +1 accuracy)


You can do this with traditional macros, but much easier with Spellcast/scripts.

[dendryte]

The most important advantage that full Marduk has for me is that it looks fuckin' cute with a messy hair Tarutaru.

[Aemora]

They don't get gear from Einherjar, but they get a form of currency, and that's ok.
They don't get gear from Limbus, but they get a form of currency, and that's ok.
They don't get gear from Salvage, but they get a form of currency, and that's NOT ok.

I'm not sure I follow your logic there, guy.

Bit late, but thanks for following the logic ^^

You see, They don't get gear from Einherjar, but then get a form of currency, and that's ok because you can turn this currency into items, such as Gleeman's Cape or Omega Ring, to use on your Scholar that can equip them.

They don't get gear from Limbus, but the get a form of currency, and that's ok because they can turn Ancient Beastcoins into stuff like a Loquacious Earring, for more MP and Fast Cast stuff.

They don't get gear from Savalge, but the get a form of currency, and that's NOT ok because you can't fucking use Alexandrites for anything at fucking all to do with Salvage HEY GOOD JOB FOLLOWING THE LOGIC...





Carry on~

[Aemora]

Epic thought though would be to patch it so that you'd need a certain amount of Alexandrites in leiu of Imperial Woots Ingots (and other items), say 1000, for Ghanraam to be all like, "Holyshit dude, another 30 of you suckers and I got myself my very own Mythic Weapon! Fuck yeah!"

And stuff like that...

Seriously.

[Rocl]

Really? What other mobs gets beefed when they're silenced (Or any other effect for that matter).

All Ziz get that way when silenced. A lot of ToAU mobs act awkward, weather effects, certain element spells, etc.

[Tahngarthor]

I only saw this posted once in the thread, so I'll ask:

Does logging out no longer work for the 1F frog?
It sounds like BS to me, but I need to be absolutely sure.

[Mugekuge]

Just did Zhayolm, 2frog > killed jakko > 3southfrog > 5frog > 6frog. so yea just kill the imp and 6th will pop.

[Ashira]

I'm a BRD WHM and SMN and I use all Marduk I have on all jobs (except legs on WHM).

It isn't trash in the least for any jobs if you are the type to want to get the absolute most out of every set up you have, and you have like umpteen setups (like starting most spells with Fast Cast gear etc). I prefer the legs to AF1+1 legs on BRD because of the MP and CHR stat as well.

/shrug, it's all preference, I won't say someone is stupid for not using them, but I will say it's pretty ignorant to just write the set off as trash when you haven't really looked at everything you *could* do.

Granted, yes, I am pretty bogged down in my inventory, but oh well.

[Tahngarthor]

edit: logging out indeed does not work any more for the first floor frog. You have to clear a wing without using any cells at all. Just tried it now.

[Tsuko_Asura]

Bit late, but thanks for following the logic ^^

You see, They don't get gear from Einherjar, but then get a form of currency, and that's ok because you can turn this currency into items, such as Gleeman's Cape or Omega Ring, to use on your Scholar that can equip them.

They don't get gear from Limbus, but the get a form of currency, and that's ok because they can turn Ancient Beastcoins into stuff like a Loquacious Earring, for more MP and Fast Cast stuff.

They don't get gear from Savalge, but the get a form of currency, and that's NOT ok because you can't fucking use Alexandrites for anything at fucking all to do with Salvage HEY GOOD JOB FOLLOWING THE LOGIC...





Carry on~

Because you can't sell the currency from Salvage to obtain currency for.. Absolutely anything else, right?

[Sanjiyan]

People don't do salvage to make money, they do salvage to get salvage armor. Alexandrites don't really help with that, except maybe help partially fund a body/head piece whenever it decides to drop, which is never.

[LD]

Also, for Limbus.....Hi. AF+1?
SCH DOES get gear from Limbus, technically.

[Hayguyz]

Really? What other mobs gets beefed when they're silenced (Or any other effect for that matter).

Dragons get -song TP moves locked giving them greater chance to use Body Slam and other lame TP moves.