Emergency Maintenance Zhayolm Remnants

[Uzor]

I get the feeling this affected 4FN frog. That (and south) are the only frogs that even use a time limit.

Either way, SE need to work on their english skills. At least now we know that the English/German POL sites are a result of Google Translate.

Edit: Apparently the French site says something along the lines of "Fixed an issue where NM's popped where they shouldn't". Ask Pchan or Mdk if they can post a translation of it. If that's true, I'm guessing its 1F or 6F?

[pchan]

Rough translation
"
The prerequisites for poping some NMs in ZR didn't work as intended. The issue was solved by taking into account the time needed to achieve the mission."

Still don't get it. i don't think they made the zone easier. I bet some dude found a way to pop them w/o all the work.

[Uubu]

Can someone eloborate on the 5th floor logout.. does that spawn the 5th floor madame without the 3 pathos people?

[Severance]

Calling needing less NMs for 6F AND the removal of Jakko from the list.

SE saying sorry for the duping crap.

[Neosutra]

Calling needing less NMs for 6F AND the removal of Jakko from the list.

SE saying sorry for the duping crap.

Or SE saying "obviously salvage was too easy, here lets fuck it up a bit".

[Francisco]

Thinking about it... it almost has to be 1F, unless something like a 4F Frog, or 3FN wasn't popping at all...

- Going for 4FN or 3FN is a HUGE timesink, and it basically kills the run. This is adjustment worthy, but it's not exactly an emergency. Hell, at least they're 100% drops - so it's not like we're wasting run after run on these mobs.

- Jakko counting towards popping the 6F Frog - even if unintended - isn't really "broken" or a even an exploit. It's a mistake. If they were going to adjust that, it'd be truly asshole-ish to do it as an EMERGENCY maintenance.

- 1F Frog... I doubt SE considers "logging out" as part of the game's mechanics. If they expect us to log out to pop a NM, they might as well add a NM that only pops if the entire alliance is eating Kit Kats and drinking a Coke IRL. I could see them pulling emergency maintenance for this, even if it is really stupid. Who really kills the damn 1F Poroggo anyway?

If it's the log out trick, I bet someone bitter over being banned spilled the beans to SE over that... lol

[Pawky]

So does logging off to pop 1st floor work? does it not work?

[Aksannyi]

Honestly if it's something to do with the log out thing, then you'd better expect a PW patch soon. If they're not fixing both in regards to the fact that we use logging out to complete them, then I'm gonna go ahead and guess that's not the case.

Of course, I haven't done a Zhayolm in a while, so what the hell do I know.

[MaachaQ]

Well, guess my group will be the guinea pigs... nobody has a card tonight to pop jakko, so we'll need to try to log off for popping 1st floor frog again...

I'll post update in maybe 45 min, we're getting ready to enter now.

edit: 1st floor frog DID NOT POP when we left 1 member locked and everyone else logged off.

[Zumi]

It would be really shitty if everyone that ever logged out to pop the first floor frog gets banned.

[ringthree]

Rough translation
"
The prerequisites for poping some NMs in ZR didn't work as intended. The issue was solved by taking into account the time needed to achieve the mission."

Still don't get it. i don't think they made the zone easier. I bet some dude found a way to pop them w/o all the work.

Ok, duh, I don't know why I didn't read it this way before.

It's about the 4f frogs.

They weren't popping as intended. The issue was solved after they refigured the time it takes to do the mission.

My guess based on this is that 4f may now take less time. They always use specific terminology when talking about things like this.

[Francisco]

Ok, duh, I don't know why I didn't read it this way before.

It's about the 4f frogs.

They weren't popping as intended. The issue was solved after they refigured the time it takes to do the mission.

My guess based on this is that 4f may now take less time. They always use specific terminology when talking about things like this.

The problem with 4N is not that it takes too long to pop it... it's that it takes too long to pop 5N if you're intending to kill 4N as well.

3N's pop condition = Clear ~30-40 mobs that drop NOTHING.

4N's pop condition = Reach Floor 4 in ~30 minutes.

5N's pop condition = Fully Unlock Three Members.

That said... if you Pop 3N, you will also need to clear AT LEAST half of the mobs in 3S if you intend to pop 5N... in popping 3N, you hereby make it impossible to kill 4N and very unlikely to pop 6F as well.

If you pop 4N, you are not killing 3N, nor are you killing 5N because you have no time to farm cells. You might get away with Jakko and 2F, but you won't get away with 1F. That's three NMs, so you aren't killing 6F either.

[MaachaQ]

Well, after a craptacular run I can post something else we noticed. On the 1st floor Bugards were hitting for MUCH harder than normal, 100+ per hit on partially unlocked SAM. He was soloing these while the rest of us went to kill Ziz in another wing.

One of our people who was supposed to be unlocked missed something (we always had 3 people fully unlocked before, never tried logout trick for 5th floor), so we didn't even try to go to the 5th floor frog, after having the 1st floor one not pop. We exited on the 3rd floor after he realized he didn't have back/waist and nobody had kept any (many had dropped, he thought he had it but it wasn't there when he went to use it).

I tried to get them to stay and try the logout trick for 5th floor, but everyone was emo by then so we popped flies. Yay for a wasted run...

[Pawky]

Well, after a craptacular run I can post something else we noticed. On the 1st floor Bugards were hitting for MUCH harder than normal, 100+ per hit on partially unlocked SAM. He was soloing these while the rest of us went to kill Ziz in another wing.

One of our people who was supposed to be unlocked missed something (we always had 3 people fully unlocked before, never tried logout trick for 5th floor), so we didn't even try to go to the 5th floor frog, after having the 1st floor one not pop. We exited on the 3rd floor after he realized he didn't have back/waist and nobody had kept any (many had dropped, he thought he had it but it wasn't there when he went to use it).

I tried to get them to stay and try the logout trick for 5th floor, but everyone was emo by then so we popped flies. Yay for a wasted run...

So you were unable to pop the 1st frog with the logout trick?

[MaachaQ]

So you were unable to pop the 1st frog with the logout trick?

Right, we left 1 member completely locked and everyone else logged off after killing Poroggo Gent in NE wing. Last week this popped 1st floor frog for us, today it did not.

[Pawky]

Right, we left 1 member completely locked and everyone else logged off after killing Poroggo Gent in NE wing. Last week this popped 1st floor frog for us, today it did not.

Oh wow, depressing..

[Devek]

No one kills the first floor one anyway, so it doesn't matter if that is all they changed.

[Auronku]

Don't see it mentioned in the thread but we failed to pop the 6F frog tonight by using the normal route. We've always done 2F dupe frog, use card to pop Jakko, 3F frog, and 5F frog in order to pop the 6F. Tonight he wasn't up though. Completely possible you have to kill Jakko now for him to count but 2 > Jakko > 3 > 5 doesn't work anymore, and it's definitely not less NMs

In terms of other odd things, the 2F and 3F frog seemed to have less HP than normal but that's purely based on observation and no real evidence.

[cdgreg]

Ahh stupid shit, as the above poster said, we couldnt pop 6th floor PM tonight using normal methods. 1st floor farm, 2nd floor PM + pop jakko, 3rd clear S wing, pop/kill PM, port north, 4th floor rampart port, 5th floor kill PM, 6th floor....no PM up

[jurjur]

did anyone try killing jakko?