Emergency Maintenance Zhayolm Remnants

[heartslaught]

Okay... so we have to kill Jakko...

That takes what, a grand total of 30 seconds for most groups? Maybe 2 minutes max?

This isn't much of a problem. Slightly bitchy... but zyahlom remnants is just that in general. It could've been a lot worse, so I'll deal.

[Ahlah]

So SE never approve the log out trick.

Expect emergency update in Aydeewa Subterrane soon?

[rithridan]

Apparently they didn't like the "pop Jakko and port up" trick either. What I don't get is how they manage to take so long to find these things out when it's basicly public knowledge.

Slight sigh of relief if this is "all" they changed (for the worse). Even though my group always did 1F for the off chance we would get a 3FN/4FN drop so we didn't have to dedicate any specific runs for this. Kinda bummed out I still need nemain's cuffs, I had hoped to get it from 1F one day instead of making 4-6 people waste AP just for that.

[Arkanos]

ASlight sigh of relief if this is "all" they changed (for the worse). Even though my group always did 1F for the off chance we would get a 3FN/4FN drop so we didn't have to dedicate any specific runs for this. Kinda bummed out I still need nemain's cuffs, I had hoped to get it from 1F one day instead of making 4-6 people waste AP just for that.

Waste AP? It's not at all hard to do 2f, Jakko, 3fn, 5fn, 6f. Probably won't have time for boss though.

[Ashira]

If it's the log out trick, I bet someone bitter over being banned spilled the beans to SE over that... lol

Cuz going over a year's worth of Salvage logs they wouldn't have noticed everyone but one person logging out on 1F Zhayolm and logging back in, would they?

[Devek]

It is going to be awesome if people get banned for that.

[Ashira]

Not exactly what I was implying.. just that if SE just went over a year's worth of logs, I'm sure they noticed that "breaking" and reforming of parties in Zhayolm so looked into what they were doing and realized what it was for is all.

[Devek]

If they have logs of people doing that than they have proof of someone using an exploit to obtain an item. Why wouldn't they ban?

I'm not saying I think it is a good idea, but from their perspective... it might make sense. I mean, cheating is cheating right?

[Ashira]

Because this seems like it would definitely be a much harder sell... you're not duping items, you're forcing something to pop under the conditions they themselves did set. You're just removing variables that would prevent it from doing so otherwise. It's not something that's forcing items to be reproduced or anything like that - in general, it's not anything that will effect the grand scheme of the game overall, and has no impact on economy or whatnot.

I was just pointing out that the guy saying someone must have tipped them off is a bit ridiculous, the timing of this has more to do with the fact they came across it in all the logs they've been perusing and waited for the 'slower' time mid-week to deal with it.

[Devek]

Right, because people have been so good at predicting how SE will see things?

Remember, they don't actually play this game so their response will be based on something different than we base our response.

[Aemora]

lol...

Salvage is getting so retarded... Where's my fucking Sch-on-Morrigan's patch so that this can no longer be the only instanced event that not all jobs benefit from???? Retarded that Sch needs Alexandrites to get Sch Nyzul weapon, yet doesn't benefit from Salvage at all!

gg SE, gg...

[MaachaQ]

lol...

Salvage is getting so retarded... Where's my fucking Sch-on-Morrigan's patch so that this can no longer be the only instanced event that not all jobs benefit from???? Retarded that Sch needs Alexandrites to get Sch Nyzul weapon, yet doesn't benefit from Salvage at all!

gg SE, gg...

New jobs weren't put on Homam or Nashira either, even though they do now get AF+1 items out of Limbus.

[Aemora]

Dnc or Sch don't get anything from Einherjar sets (Hadean and Phantasmal), but they always got something from Ampoules from the very beginning. Same deal with Limbus... ABC items etc~

It was inevitable that they'd add Sch and Dnc to Limbus/Dynamis items because they had to do with with Blu/Cor/Pup. It makes 0 sense though that Dnc/Sch doesn't benefit from Salvage at ALL, whilst they need to do it in order to get the Nyzul weapon. It's so backwards...

Edit: Still no Lv70+ JSE for Blu/Cor/Pup/Dnc/Sch yet though... SE fails so much...

[Wulfgang]

Edit: Still no Lv70+ JSE for Blu/Cor/Pup/Dnc/Sch yet though... SE fails so much...

It took forever for some of the original jobs to get LV 70+ JSE, I don't even think a number of them have it still (e.g. MNK).

[Not Kuno]

Killing Jakko popped 6f.

[Acturus]

Dnc or Sch don't get anything from Einherjar sets (Hadean and Phantasmal), but they always got something from Ampoules from the very beginning. Same deal with Limbus... ABC items etc~

It was inevitable that they'd add Sch and Dnc to Limbus/Dynamis items because they had to do with with Blu/Cor/Pup. It makes 0 sense though that Dnc/Sch doesn't benefit from Salvage at ALL, whilst they need to do it in order to get the Nyzul weapon. It's so backwards...

Edit: Still no Lv70+ JSE for Blu/Cor/Pup/Dnc/Sch yet though... SE fails so much...

They don't get gear from Einherjar, but they get a form of currency, and that's ok.
They don't get gear from Limbus, but they get a form of currency, and that's ok.
They don't get gear from Salvage, but they get a form of currency, and that's NOT ok.

I'm not sure I follow your logic there, guy.

And JSE is a fucking joke. Can we stop discussing it like it's supposed to be a valuable addition to the job classes. JSE was a cop out back when developers ran out of shit to develop.

[BlackMoomba]

Killing Jakko popped 6f.

^ This.

My friends group did ZR last night. They found out that F1 was fixed. So they did F2,3,5, only poped Jakko, and no F6. So the only thing that it can be is kill Jakko

[Spekkio]

They don't get gear from Einherjar, but they get a form of currency, and that's ok.
They don't get gear from Limbus, but they get a form of currency, and that's ok.
They don't get gear from Salvage, but they get a form of currency, and that's NOT ok.

I'm not sure I follow your logic there, guy.

And JSE is a fucking joke. Can we stop discussing it like it's supposed to be a valuable addition to the job classes. JSE was a cop out back when developers ran out of shit to develop.

some JSE is crap like the chausible set while some like the igquira set are top of the line gear in everyone's arsenal on that job.

btw, bst, brd, sam, nin, and a host of other jobs have never gotten a chunk of homam or nashira in the past, so there's plenty of precedent for sch/dnc to be left in the rain on that one.

[Ultimagi]

The God Damn Kuno, can you post your exact route and all frogs killed?
Seems insufficient to say you killed Jakko and it spawned. Needs more information to prove it as a prerequisite.

[Yugl]

If they have logs of people doing that than they have proof of someone using an exploit to obtain an item. Why wouldn't they ban?

I'm not saying I think it is a good idea, but from their perspective... it might make sense. I mean, cheating is cheating right?

So tell me the difference between someone that logs out in that zone and someone who DCs in the zone. It's not like the duplication trick where it's clearly intentional.