A question about merit parties

[Spider-Dan]

Songs were 2x march or march/mad based on mobs, rolls were fighters/samuari. 2h use meat.

Chaos/Minuet where?

[Shinryuu]

(Get Ridill WAR's)

lol

Songs were 2x march or march/mad based on mobs, rolls were fighters/samuari. 2h use meat.

Have fun with your retarded PDIF

[Khalil]

Best merit PT I've had was 3 ardaberk/ridill wars, 2 brd/nins and rdm/whm. We kicked out the mid and bottom colibri camp PTs and had the place to ourselves for about 2 hours, 30k/hr constant.

[Thorny]

COR/WHMx2 BRD/NINx2 WARx2

(Get Ridill WAR's)

aren't you that guy running a salvage only ls that didn't even know the zones.. why the fuck have 2 brds both /nin, and WHY THE FUCK replace a rdm with a cor/whm...? With 2 marches and halfway decent gear haste and dia 3 probably add MORE damage than a second COR, while giving you a native mp pool to, y'know, stay alive and shit.

[Euphoriaw]

Usually I prefer: rdm, brd, cor, 3DD whocares which.

Buffs depend by what DD ask, most of time it's a "SAM ROLL PRZ" and "NO I'M WAR GIMME FIGHTER'S PRZ!": tbh if BRD is going for Marchx2, I'd prefer going for Chaos and Hunter's.

[oldoldman]

WHM or RDM BRD BRD COR DD DD
March March Min Min Fighters Roll Corsair's Roll Is the most awesome combination ever, you never stop swinging on MNK.
MNK should never sub NIN for merits. Ever.

[Sobie]

WHM or RDM BRD BRD COR DD DD
March March Min Min Fighters Roll Corsair's Roll Is the most awesome combination ever, you never stop swinging on MNK.
MNK should never sub NIN for merits. Ever.

I am curious here then, is MP ever a problem for your healers since you will be taking every hit full from the birds, and I am guessing you will geared for all out offense?

Without some form of damage mitigation even with full time ballad, refresh, sanction and lets even throw in an AF2 hat and refresh body on the healer, it would seem resting would become a necessity.

If it works it works, I am just curious as to how to make it work.

[oldoldman]

I am curious here then, is MP ever a problem for your healers since you will be taking every hit full from the birds, and I am guessing you will geared for all out offense?

Without some form of damage mitigation even with full time ballad, refresh, sanction and lets even throw in an AF2 hat and refresh body on the healer, it would seem resting would become a necessity.

If it works it works, I am just curious as to how to make it work.

Counterstance is so under appreciated .
With it and a proper acc setup you can counter about half of the swings.
Edit: This is on Birds, mamools you need a first voke with seigan/utsu.

[Hogie]

The correct answer is secret answer number 4, BRD BRD COR DD DD DD with outside PL!

[orson]

RDM BRD COR DD DD DD definitely has my vote.

[Xrave]

Those who don't care about COR damage aren't being logical

I don't care about COR damage and I don't (generally) do damage on COR because adding in the damage from COR makes my parties kill too fast and break chain.

[Spider-Dan]

I am curious here then, is MP ever a problem for your healers since you will be taking every hit full from the birds, and I am guessing you will geared for all out offense?

Without some form of damage mitigation even with full time ballad, refresh, sanction and lets even throw in an AF2 hat and refresh body on the healer, it would seem resting would become a necessity.

If it works it works, I am just curious as to how to make it work.

The majority of my merit parties are (vs. birds/wivres):

RDM/WHM
BRD/NIN
COR/DNC
SAM/WAR (first voke)
DD/SAM
DD/SAM

I don't even roll Evoker's and RDM Converts as a luxury, not a necessity. This config has never ran into MP problems, even with KC RNG/WAR as one of the DDs.

[Spider-Dan]

I don't care about COR damage and I don't (generally) do damage on COR because adding in the damage from COR makes my parties kill too fast and break chain.

The only time I've had this problem is with parties in the "uncanny valley" of l33tness, where they kill too fast for birds-only, but not fast enough for birds+wivres.

In any case, this is a non-issue: COR can just stand back and roll Corsair's, and it's still better than anything you'll replace COR with.

[Valyana]

COR/DNC

I like the sound of that...what /DNC stuff is the COR usually doing? Drain Samba II and a Box Step per mob?

[Sobie]

The majority of my merit parties are (vs. birds/wivres):

RDM/WHM
BRD/NIN
COR/DNC
SAM/WAR (first voke)
DD/SAM
DD/SAM

I don't even roll Evoker's and RDM Converts as a luxury, not a necessity. This config has never ran into MP problems, even with KC RNG/WAR as one of the DDs.

I would have no problems keeping MP in this situation since you actually have a voker, and presuming your DD's bother with Third Eye and Seigan. My concern was with MNK's who sub WAR for lack of any damage mitigation. I wasn't aware counterstance is that effective though.

My experience on RDM has been most of the elements designed to make TP burns run smoothly are never observed. DD's without shadows, no voke to get the mobs attention, no regen sanction, BRD's who cant keep ballad on me or who cant keep their own shadows up (or my favourite, pulling with horde lullaby). It is interesting to listen to how people run their own merit parties though, to see if I have been in the majority of minority in my experiences.

[Spider-Dan]

I like the sound of that...what /DNC stuff is the COR usually doing? Drain Samba II and a Box Step per mob?

fulltime Drain Samba II
Curing Waltz on lullabied RDM or BRD
Healing Waltz after Demoralizing Roar (I normally arrange beforehand for RDM to always erase top DD, and I erase 2nd DD based on who has TP)
Desperate Flourish+Box Step if I end up with 110+ TP (multi-hit) on birds, and on all wivres

[Shinryuu]

Does anyone here have experience with the following setup:

DD/SAM (or SAM/)
DD/SAM (or SAM/)
DNC (/WHM or /NIN or /SAM, no clue, don't know DNC really)
RDM
BRD
BRD (or COR)

The idea: 2 good DD (from LS or so) get 10% more haste (DNC has to merit haste samba), plus they can fulltime hasso. The returns on haste would be tremendously increasing, so to say. Whereas a normal RDM cannot be assumed to be able keep up with hasso-fulltimers (some can, mind you, especially if the BRD/WHM tries to help out rather than songsongsongsongafk), the DNC's cures would mean the difference between comfortably riding your convert recasts, and melee dying by the bushes.

Pros: the melee turn into super mario with 20% JA haste (compared to 10% or 0% in normal merits) stacked on top of 15% haste, 20ish% marches, and 20ish% gear haste (more is moar but can't assume that from all melee). The RDM has potentially less stress, the DNC actually gets merits (wat), and in case of emergency there's still seigan so it's not entirely suicide if the DNC or RDM DCs.

Cons: no 3rd melee's damage output, DNC's damage output is small, can DNC maintain a high level of TP to cure sufficiently? Plus, this might be colibri only, as a hasso'd+berserked melee could drop too fast to cure on say, Skoffin.

So, input? Experiences?

P.S. Yes, I'm jealous every time my DRK friend activates last resort in merits, I want to dagger my great axe as well

[Isiolia]

Does anyone here have experience with the following setup:

DD/SAM (or SAM/)
DD/SAM (or SAM/)
DNC (/WHM or /NIN or /SAM, no clue, don't know DNC really)
RDM
BRD
BRD (or COR)

I've done that with NIN/WAR and WAR/NIN instead of 2x /SAM DDs at Nyzul Mamools. Was a very smooth running party...DNC -really- compensated for how crappy the RDM was, which we realized later when we got a 3rd DD instead.

[Shinryuu]

Well, the setup could still work with jobs that don't have hasso, but the haste from DNC wouldn't be as much of a 3rd-DD-compensation.

[Mugekuge]

war/sam x2, drg or sam with polearm, brd min/march, cor corsair/fighter, rdm.