Pandemonium Quelled! Pandemonium Warden has been Defeated! (02/02/2009)

[dejet]

tell me if im wrong but did they not have almost a full ally of blu for his final form? i mean dd would be crap anyways if they are 2x weak. unlike blu what seems to not be effected. again how many blu did they have for the final form?

[Narse]

We had 4 I think.

[BerenTebogo]

Don't Bravura me, Bro. See also: Mangnarok, Bropocalypse, etc.

Brokoku?

[isladar]

I'll tell Callisto to whip one up for you.

[Charismatic]

Hey, fuck you.
I requested one for Gungnir long ago and I was ignored.
Fuck. you.

[Drako]

Are you serious about gears? With the exception of tanks that need good gears in those fights (double crit/ws happens fast), I'm pretty sure you could win with a bunch of setup.

Coordination is the important (and hardest) parts in those fight, not gears.

you seriosly think your AH sam will do the same amount of dmg as fully geared/relic one? if you do, you are stupid.

yes, im serious about gear and merits.. without it you run out of mp, your spells do crap dmg, you cant hit shit and when you hit its for crap dmg, and weapon skills are just lolable without gear.


i never said coordination wasnt the hardest or most important part of the fight. What i said is that they wouldnt have done without gear and merits, and if you wanna prove me wrong, go ahead and do it, i just doubt you will be able to.

[Day]

you seriosly think your AH sam will do the same amount of dmg as fully geared/relic one? if you do, you are stupid.

yes, im serious about gear and merits.. without it you run out of mp, your spells do crap dmg, you cant hit shit and when you hit its for crap dmg, and weapon skills are just lolable without gear.


i never said coordination wasnt the hardest or most important part of the fight. What i said is that they wouldnt have done without gear and merits, and if you wanna prove me wrong, go ahead and do it, i just doubt you will be able to.

Why are you talking about people not having gear and merits? Do you really think anyone trying this fight is not going to have decent gear and merits? Furthermore have you forgotten what particular forum you are posting on? Everyone here has relics.

[terraflarex]

I will pay to see someone even attempt to tank PW without an Aegis. Stream that shit please.

And yeah I mean if you have a bunch of relic DDs on it and win with 5min left total, then you need some serious fucking pimped out Damage to even make a somewhat decent attempt at it. Two Hour time limit is flat out retarded.

[Kaylia]

you seriosly think your AH sam will do the same amount of dmg as fully geared/relic one? if you do, you are stupid.

yes, im serious about gear and merits.. without it you run out of mp, your spells do crap dmg, you cant hit shit and when you hit its for crap dmg, and weapon skills are just lolable without gear.


i never said coordination wasnt the hardest or most important part of the fight. What i said is that they wouldnt have done without gear and merits, and if you wanna prove me wrong, go ahead and do it, i just doubt you will be able to.

If you seriously think having penis in your mouth is cool, you're gay. (fuck arguing, it's a lot easier to make up shit)

BLM and BLU can perform pretty well with AH/sky/AF2 gears and don't need relic for sure. Same with RNG. Merit? There is one or two merit category per job that is worth it (ie: elemental on blm, ice or thunder), but "capped merit" is not needed.

What I'm saying is that you're over exagerating the difference between someone that is well geared, and someone that has the perfect gear. I never said to drag the average player out there.

I will pay to see someone even attempt to tank PW without an Aegis. Stream that shit please.

If it was addressed to me

With the exception of tanks

I already covered my ass.

[Sagacious Sundi]

They never did stuff like that, before, either... just doesn't sound right.

While I won't disagree that this is an attempt to save face, when has there ever been something like this? AV kills and the first mythic weapons have their reasons not to be glorified by SE (not defeating AV the way you're "supposed to" and alexandrite duping). Maybe the first relic weapons? I don't know much about that (whether it's 100% settled who got the first, whether they somehow cheated their way, etc.), so I can't really comment on that.

[Arthars]

actually PW is much of a "easier" fight right?

Every form seem damagable, fairly easily, except that god damnit 75% last form "flow your ass"

so question is to avoid it, and win, which is what apathy did, be it a legit/right way. Its just a matter of time we figure out the "real" way to avoid it

im more pissed at AV because that mob is fucking broken from 100% to chainspell/manafont/benediction

ya we just need to find a way to avoid it too, and SE's answer is "YOU HAVE TO STOP ITS REGEN" and "ZOOM IN FOR INFO"

wut?

[Kaylia]

Zoom in and skip forward in time is the key to kill AV (forgot who posted this theory, but it's the best one so far).


Based on their video, it's obvious there is some sort of gimmick we havent discovered, but this is stupid anyway.

[Caclax]

basically what your saying is:
Step 1 pop and kill Love
Step 2 start to fight AV.
Step 3 ???
Step 4 Profit
?


or did i get something wrong?

[Vandole]

http://www.grazinggoatgames.destronm...u-slowpoke.jpg

Pandemonium Warden.. Defeated?! I'll be the first to report on this!

[Drako]

If you seriously think having penis in your mouth is cool, you're gay. (fuck arguing, it's a lot easier to make up shit)

wtf?

BLM and BLU can perform pretty well with AH/sky/AF2 gears and don't need relic for sure. Same with RNG. Merit? There is one or two merit category per job that is worth it (ie: elemental on blm, ice or thunder), but "capped merit" is not needed.

perform "well" isnt enough for pw, stfu
they did it with 40 ppl, too many relics, a shitload of salvage,AV,kings gear and they had 5 min left on the clock..

What I'm saying is that you're over exagerating the difference between someone that is well geared, and someone that has the perfect gear. I never said to drag the average player out there.

No im not, not only you cant drag the average player but you cant also bring the good one, you have to be awesome (gear wise) to beat PW right now, but that's just my opinion. Unless they fight a weakness on it, i doubt it will become common to kill it.

I remember when the kings could be pretty hard too, but you could take as long as you wanted to kill it. PW has a 2 hr limit, you need the dmg output that comes from the gear.


ps: "penis in my mouth??" wtf?!?!!?

[Kaylia]

Fine fine, you convinced me. The 1h55 min fight can't possibly be done faster.


[edit]
It will never be a common kill if you actually need an army of 40 people. I can't think of many linkshell that are able to gather this, gimped or not.

The biggest problem with this fight is to coordinate everyone. I'm certain you could get a damage output high enough to beat it with well geared "normal" players if they don't screw up. Relics help obviously, but it's not all.

[Drako]

Fine fine, you convinced me. The 1h55 min fight can't possibly be done faster.


[edit]
It will never be common kill, because if you actually need an army of 40 people, I can't think of many linkshell that are able to gather this, gimped or not.

im sure you can, you can probably reduce a lot from it, but would still need a an army that not every shell has.


you realize this discussion started because you said gear and merits dont have anything to do with the PW kill right?

[Kaylia]

And I could say the discussion started from this

You are being naive thinking any LS with 40 ppl and 5 BLU can take on PW, if u get 100 random 75 ppl with AH/sky/dynamis gear i bet you will lose miserably on the 1st (maybe 2nd) form.

this kind of challenge requires all best equipment from ffxi and a shitload of merits and after that you still need coordination and strategy.

This quote, particularly the 2nd paragraph is an overstatement. It doesn't have to be anywhere near the perfection to works at 80%-95% of the best damage output. Unless the first PW fight was literally perfect, I'm sure there is many methods avaible to squeeze more damages out of every phases.


And stop assuming so much from my post. I never said a NQ sam would outdamage a perfect SAM, or that gear had no impact on this particular victory.

[Cadsuane]

Just over five months ago, Final Fantasy XI finally got the attention that its playerbase has been clamoring for since as long as they can remember. Unfortunately, that attention came in the form of laughter from the gaming community that the above mentioned playerbase would subject itself to a game containing a mob that couldn't be killed after 18 hours of effort. The Warden had yet to be successfully killed, so while this was no doubt a valiant effort, it was also a pioneering one and therefore surely not the original intended battle that it eventually turned into.

They make it sound like all they did with that patch was limit the fight to two hours to save players from their own overzealousness. It didn't seem like the fight wasn't beatable at all in much less than the 18 hours of the original attempt. Wasn't that LS doing exceptional relic calibur damage the entire goddamn time? Saying PW's original design was anything but inhumane is a fucking farce, and it's still a load of bullshit.

[Shinryuu]

They didn't have an alliance of BLUs. Also, I feel sorry (and partly responsible, as it was me who made the winning PW topic, in which he got his flashy title) for Virtuous Saint; he's one of the very few Apathy people going into depth about the actual PW fight and all I read is "omg it's teh cheats if you has to log off" (from migrated alla durkadurs) and "shut up VS you're not in Apathy" (from the more bitter portion of BG posters).

It will never be a common kill if you actually need an army of 40 people. I can't think of many linkshell that are able to gather this, gimped or not.

You're definitely right about this, and don't get me wrong, I'm just trying to be objective, but SE has added things in FFXI that simply aren't meant to be common (relics, mythics); perhaps they meant winning the PW fight to be uncommon, as well. The majority of the playerbase will disagree with SEs stance on this. I think that's mainly because PW is a monster, not very hard to pop, that provides the unsurpassable way to the shiny equipment rather than a large sum of gil standing in the way in case of the relics. The average player is not ever going to get that much gil, but it seems less impossible that way, rather than the unbeatable monster standing next to you, knowing it's never giving you its hachiryu body. However, I do think the bottom line is SE planned PW to be killed by maybe one or two linkshells per server or so.