Pandemonium Quelled! Pandemonium Warden has been Defeated! (02/02/2009)

[Septimus]

Incoming melee mage updates, all your whm are belong to /nin.

I think that I have already guessed what the mage melee updates are going to be:

• The white mage job has been supplemented with the following new job trait:
  
  • Serendipity

All melee attacks will convert 150% of damage done to HP and MP.

• The red mage job has been supplemented with staff skill.
  
  • The capped staff skill of a red mage is equivalent to their capped shield skill. Red mages will still lose TP when they switch staves to cast spells. We just did this because we hate red mages so damn much. Go level blue mage or scholar, you ass fucks.

Sadly, I would not be surprised in the least...

And yes, Serendipity would be level 38.

[Shinryuu]

Narse explained this, but It spams extremely strong magic and it attacks exceptionally fast. Now, typically this wouldn't matter because you could swap gear during spell casting to an MDT/MDB setup, but since Pandemonium Warden has permanent instant cast chainspell cool stuff, you have no time to swap gear. Also, getting to magic damage taken cap w/o aegis sacrifices a ton of other gear you could be using for defense, enmity, blocking or MDB. And yes, PW attacks very hard and fast as well so shield blocking is important since I don't think it can be debuffed at all to my knowledge (VS would be better able to confirm this since he plays RDM for this fight and I play SAM). All this aside, Aegis or not, PW can still instantly kill any tank if it uses AOE curse > Instant cast GA3, you simply cannot survive this. Furthermore, if you're under the effects of cackle and get nuked, you have no chance of survival. If I recall correctly, Sinus was being taken down to 18-20% HP -ish from a single GA3 from PW towards the end of the fight, and Papy was being taken down to around 12-15% HP (barring Shadow Ring procs, of course). Basically, I do not envy anyone who has to tank this thing, because it is probably the hardest thing in the game to tank except for maybe Absolue Virtue.

Well fuck.

Anyway, that (especially the bolded part) more than answers my question. Thanks.

By the way, will there be more PW attempts or are you doing more mythics besides the two swords?

[Narse]

Will there be more PW attempts or are you doing more mythics besides the two swords?

Had to finish up the two swords first. Tinnin was very generous last night (5/12 on triggers), giving several people 2/3 on triggers now.

[Correction]

I think that I have already guessed what the mage melee updates are going to be:

• The white mage job has been supplemented with the following new job trait:
  
  • Serendipity

All melee attacks will convert 50% of critical strike weaponskill damage done to HP, modified by CHR.

And yes, Serendipity would be level 38.

Fixed.

[Qeomash]

They should give WHM Pray, similar to how it was in FFX.

Pray
Recast: 1 minute
Level 40
Restores approximately 50 MP to party members within a tiny AOE. MND modifier.

[Ultimagi]

Pray restored HP.

[Qeomash]

Did it? Bah, been too long.

[Charismatic]

Well this time it should restore MP.

[MrW]

Why stop there? How about both?!

[Spira]

pray sounds like it would be a neat ability...

like.. a 15s recast aoe cure for 50+ HP around the WHM. would be a great way to help recover from sleepgas..
it'd be more awesome if it occassionally removed a random status effect as well. proc rate augmented by MND, probably..

random WAR: i need blindna biotch. and haste.
'Oh Divine Altana, deliver us (read: me) from this misery."
/ja Pray <me>
random WAR: OMG I CAN SEE ITS A MIRACLE!

...sorry being lame.

[Vajra]

The Pray ability theory was already discussed in the RDM|WHM Melee "Tweaks..." to come Thread:

I can see them giving White Mage Pray as a Job Ability; self-target only, gives small amounts of HP to party members in range. On top of this, they might add melee-friendly clubs and make Starlight and Moonlight way more powerful. White Mage would get much more experience points party invites if they could be giving the entire party free HP and MP at a consistent rate.

and then I responded:

Very good idea my man, also i have a hunch they'll raise whm's club skill to A+ (which would make alot of sense to making whm be "frontline when ever they are able to (unless they're told not to be)," according to SE's recent interview that is. I've always found it retarded that PLD had higher club skill than whm really.

Anyways, powering up starlight and moonlight would be fkking pwn, BUT, whm already has mystic boon >.>, but i guess that would resist on HNM maybe w/o sneak attack so yeah, moonlight and starlight power up is welcomed.

"Pray," is a great ability too, heal party's HP based on a percentage of the WHM user's max HP. Im not sure how it worked in FFX but I think it was based on the user's HP or some other stat. It was used in other Final Fantasies too right, cant remember, but anyways, this would be a really nice ability to give to whm, just make it less powered than Martyr, and give it to whm from lv 60+ (like the same level PLD gets rampart or something).

Anyways idk why this is being discussed in this thread >.>...

[lolwut]

The Pray ability theory was already discussed in the RDM|WHM Melee "Tweaks..." to come Thread:



and then I responded:


Anyways idk why this is being discussed in this thread >.>...

Because the topic got dull due to the lack of new info, and we derailed as usual.

I doubt it will be something as job specific as Pray, because they mentioned the upgrade was going to affect rdm and whm. Knowing how lazy SE is, I doubt they plan to make different tweaks for the two jobs, just a lame catch all that will give people a chance to gimp your exp.

As long as it gives the opportunity to kill more things without sleep / nuke, idc what it is.