Dancer - 1 year after WotG

**SchuldigGER** · 2009-02-03 17:35

why is Gaea posting again ? was he unbanned from advanced or did he got banned on alla ?

DNC is good in lowman stuff and thats about it unfortunatly.. most of the time you can fill the spot with something more usefull than a dancer

**Darkevolution** · 2009-02-03 17:38

[derail]

Originally Posted by Genosync

Hardly any CORs though that can play it right (Joy/Kris/Martial+/nin+Fold4/5+SnakeEye5+playing it old school ranger style) Oh well.

No offense but the cor you just described isn't all that spectacular, /nin is pretty terrible for anything outside of nyzul. Unless your pulling (/whm best for this), /rng is really the only way to go. 4 fold merits isn't all that amazing either, because if you're at 5/5 snake eye most of the time you're either at lucky or pretty close to 11. Adding winning streak lets you melee for longer periods of time without worrying about buffing everyone every minute or so. Really only 1 Fold merit is worth it IMO.[/derail]

**TummieGaruda** · 2009-02-03 17:57

DNC is a pretty fun job to play. I take it to Dynamis and Nyzul whenever I get the chance to. The job can be pretty useful and can take on different roles when needed. Even though people like to TPburn things down, DNC still has the ability to open "TP-less" skillchains every 30 seconds. Not only that, but a properly merited DNC can self skillchain Darkness with ease (Evisceration > RF > Pyrrhic Kleos) if needed be. I remember the PT I was in not too long ago flipped out when I did it.

**Yugl** · 2009-02-03 18:33

I think an issue that DNC faces is similar to one that RDM faces. The fact that their skills generally rely on debuffing the enemy more so than buffing their PT makes it less appealing than other support/healing classes. If all its sambas turned into buffs, and it's means of obtaining TP were adjusted, DNC would be much more appealing than it is currently. That isn't to say that DNC would be fixed entirely, but it would be a step in the right direction.

**Toth** · 2009-02-03 20:02

Originally Posted by Yugl

That isn't to say that DNC would be fixed entirely, but it would be a step in the right direction.

Pun intended? XD

I wonder if anyone has tanked anything significant as DNC since the update. I was asked this by a ls mate how I could tank these guys, and I replied that I really would love to see someone do so and post their results. I know the basics (Animated Flourish, Fan Dance, Waltzes) but I am curious if the enmity these moves generate could ever be as effective as Flash, Voke, and other enmity building abilities and spells.

**Flippant** · 2009-02-03 20:08

DNC is really...fun. I enjoy it more than any other job because it's incredibly active. Despite this, I've still got to admit that I just don't see it to be of use in endgame compared to most other jobs. It's "okay" when you've already got optimum jobs and the extra few don't really matter (such as in a merit party that already fully clears all the birds or a Limbus run that would win with or without you), but I'm aware that I'd be potentially more helpful on BRD or RNG, so I've never asked to come DNC to events (I won't lie though, the times I did happen to go DNC were pretty damn fun).

As for Fan Dance: I think it's worthless because the decay is so huge when tanking something that hits for more than 100.

**VZX** · 2009-02-03 20:23

It's good for lowman stuff (2-4 ppl) and you're not really pushed on time. You may have a hard time dealing with enemy that can inflict multiple and/or AoE stats down (like Phuabo's Voiceless storm). Other than that, I see DNC as a strong melee solo'ing job.
Now with 5/5 closed position, I have slightly higher eva than THF (assuming the difference of 20 evasion skill does nothing)

The only thing I got annoyed whenever I play DNC is the JA timer.
On the dire of TP, I may not have step ready.
Even if I got FM up, I may not have RF ready.

I'm seriously hoping group 3 merit would be introduced soon and so we can have lower recast time on steps, waltz, and flourishes.

**kayn** · 2009-02-03 20:33

Originally Posted by SephYuyX

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**urat** · 2009-02-03 20:39

Originally Posted by Massimo

Don't mess with this guy, he'll fuck you up.
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Hold up... How the hell does someone on cerb get my current armor? Or does the pol thing have this screen? hmmm

Anywho, I find dancer to be a very customizable job. It's fun, and I find versatility my favorite aspect of a job.

*looks at watch* well someone is up and due to post on the fact I estimated a mythic weapon costing 1 billion gil. maybe I should, for the 4th time, explain where the number came form so you guys will just stfu.

The calculation was made when alexandrite was brand new and still cost 20K each. kthx >_>

I don't know how good dnc is in most end game stuff, but our relic armor is beyond hax. Especially the body. Honestly, if a piece of armor has more attack than an assault jerkin, plus the accuracy of a hq SH... hehe.

Few levels away from dynamis, very excited to get a taste of the big stuff, but other than that, all I can say is that dancer is expensive if you want to play it right. Myself I have a total of 4 armor sets for each role, healing, tanking, DD, and tp build, plus odd extra parts to macro in, IE af head for samba, etc.

It is posssible to go for one balanced set, but then your stuck being mediocre at all your aspects. I myself keeping half my armor in storage and ask the leader what he wants me to focus on. Hard to lug around 50 pieces of armor at once D:

As for dancing edge, I can put out some very nice numbers on that, due to dancers ridiculously stacked dex and chr. Healing? Well neverending tp, -25 emnitty, and my way overpowered curing waltze...

Tanking i'm not that great at, but can, meh, handle most stuff. Generally let first voke drop to 50% hp and blast him with a waltze 3 for 500-600 hp, then follow up with animated flourish and I get a very notable load of hate. Just stack the eva and its all good.

I have been told that once we get fan samba, blood tanking is pretty easy. I don't know myself though.

I can't see the jnob being very effective vs hnms and the such do to the simple fact the way our tp is used.

Honestly I'm kind of surprised I was actually mentioned...

kind of confused why my gear was posted, you making fun of it? Please say whats wrong with the stuff, seriously. Other than the nq sh, I dont see any problems but am open to suggestions. The more options the better!

**stewie** · 2009-02-03 21:07

Originally Posted by urat

Hard to lug around 50 pieces of armor at once D:

I carry 55 at least all the time. >.>

**Thorny** · 2009-02-03 21:34

Originally Posted by urat

stuff and things, Please say whats wrong with the stuff, seriously. Other than the nq sh, I dont see any problems but am open to suggestions.

grace ring, ecphoria ring, eva earring with a harvest or tortoise earring(if it's tortoise, wtf, if it's harvest you should still have a 2nd eva earring on when not curing), chiv chain instead of specs or pcc, shitty chakram instead of tiphia or smart grenade(admittedly acceptable if pulling), nq of what are presumably darksteel kukri and demon's knife(NQ cermet kukris are cheap, anyone who cares about their job should HQ their weapon though), af hands when presumably not doing steps(and if doing steps, should be a pure acc set which makes af feet and wivre mask wrong.. battle gloves are cheap).. best excuse is that it's an eva setup for soloing, but still quite a few things wrong.. the NQ sh is the last thing i'd point out tbh

i always carried 60-65 items on nin, 65-70 on rdm depending what i was doing.. 50 isn't at all bad

also, your theories gave me cancer

**urat** · 2009-02-03 22:02

Well tbh you were lookign at armor I was wearing while campaigning...

Got tiph sting and wood ring, rap harness, etc etc. Harvest earring and dex ring were because I was spamming dancing edge for fast exp, so thats that.

Dont have second eva earring, I use minuet earring. Yeah the nq daggers, cause tbh I'm not spending huge money on daggers when I'm about to get kard and behemoth in couple levels... they're just to boost my damage up enough to actually hit shit for more than 0 and 1.

Af hands? have you never leveled dancer past 37? Not only is there not much better than 3 dex and agi, plus the 3 trillion step acc from af hands, but you use them every 15 seconds. I have bad lag so it takes 2 seconds or so for my armor to swap, so honestly macroing those hands out is just silly.

I have battle gloves, but why the hell are you saying battle glvoes are > than mask and feet? step accuracy from af hands is best for step accuracy... o.o;

I dont have much for feet but crows, af for jigs, and oh yeah, my HQ tabin boots that I left in storage. I do have the gear but honestly 3 acc 3 eva isnt as good as 5 att and 5 eva. Once again, my acc is pretty good, so it then becomes a matter of hitting that damn wall for more than 1 and 2 dmg...

As for my thoerie(s?), I only ever actually had one. The AF using up mp thing for PW, unless your talking about the obviousity of SEs patterns in other games, but meh, off topic...

As per chiv chain and ecphoria ring... they're really cheap, much cheaper then alternatives, and both giver tp store +1, which when combined with my spaghattis bump me up just barely into 10 tp per round, allowing me to do a step on my first round isntead of waiting a second round for 1 tp.

I also have HQ corsette and basic crows gear for healing, though soon to be replaced by past armor...

Think that covers it all... You also mentioned wivres mask being not good. What do you suggest for that one, I've been trying to hunt down a better hat, but honestly the 10 eva for 150K is a lot better than 10 eva for 2-3 million... I like to save SOME of my money =P

**Flippant** · 2009-02-03 22:04

Originally Posted by urat

I don't know how good dnc is in most end game stuff, but our relic armor is beyond hax. Especially the body. Honestly, if a piece of armor has more attack than an assault jerkin, plus the accuracy of a hq SH... hehe.

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It is posssible to go for one balanced set, but then your stuck being mediocre at all your aspects. I myself keeping half my armor in storage and ask the leader what he wants me to focus on. Hard to lug around 50 pieces of armor at once D:

As for dancing edge, I can put out some very nice numbers on that, due to dancers ridiculously stacked dex and chr. Healing? Well neverending tp, -25 emnitty, and my way overpowered curing waltze...

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I have been told that once we get fan samba, blood tanking is pretty easy. I don't know myself though.

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kind of confused why my gear was posted, you making fun of it? Please say whats wrong with the stuff, seriously. Other than the nq sh, I dont see any problems but am open to suggestions. The more options the better!

Not sure whether to take you seriously or not.

1) AF2 isn't really all that great. Body piece and legs are full time, hands are trash, and the other two pieces are okay for subbing in, but still meh. It helped DNC, but didn't even come close to saving it.

2) Like others have stated, 50 isn't much.

3) Neverending TP lol. -25 enmity is useless waste of other stats that could be equipped, and ridiculously stacked DEX? Don't make me laugh. Lack of good equipment compared to THF is one of DNC's greatest weaknesses.

4) No, Fan Dance is a waste. Having to sacrifice Samba really hurts this ability, not that it's that good to begin with.

5) Full timing AF? lol

**Thorny** · 2009-02-03 22:17

Originally Posted by urat

Well tbh you were lookign at armor I was wearing while campaigning...

Got tiph sting and wood ring, rap harness, etc etc. Harvest earring and dex ring were because I was spamming dancing edge for fast exp, so thats that.

Dont have second eva earring, I use minuet earring. Yeah the nq daggers, cause tbh I'm not spending huge money on daggers when I'm about to get kard and behemoth in couple levels... they're just to boost my damage up enough to actually hit shit for more than 0 and 1.

not bothering with new daggers = gimp, the new ones aren't even more expensive

Af hands? have you never leveled dancer past 37? Not only is there not much better than 3 dex and agi, plus the 3 trillion step acc from af hands, but you use them every 15 seconds. I have bad lag so it takes 2 seconds or so for my armor to swap, so honestly macroing those hands out is just silly.

skipping macros to be lazy = gimp

I have battle gloves, but why the hell are you saying battle glvoes are > than mask and feet? step accuracy from af hands is best for step accuracy... o.o;

i was saying that battle gloves are better than hands for everything but a step setup and the mask and feet don't belong in a step setup

I dont have much for feet but crows, af for jigs, and oh yeah, my HQ tabin boots that I left in storage. I do have the gear but honestly 3 acc 3 eva isnt as good as 5 att and 5 eva. Once again, my acc is pretty good, so it then becomes a matter of hitting that damn wall for more than 1 and 2 dmg...

use fucking gear macros, hq tabin are better than af feet for anything serious

As for my thoerie(s?), I only ever actually had one. The AF using up mp thing for PW, unless your talking about the obviousity of SEs patterns in other games, but meh, off topic...

BLAHBLAHBLAH I'M NOT LISTENING I DON'T CARE SHOVE YOUR INANE WORTHLESS THEORIES UP YOUR ASS, NO MOB USES MP FOR ASTRAL FLOW

As per chiv chain and ecphoria ring... they're really cheap, much cheaper then alternatives, and both giver tp store +1, which when combined with my spaghattis bump me up just barely into 10 tp per round, allowing me to do a step on my first round isntead of waiting a second round for 1 tp.

you can't afford snipers or peacock but you're blowing gil using carbonara for everything? good call there

I also have HQ corsette and basic crows gear for healing, though soon to be replaced by past armor...

Think that covers it all... You also mentioned wivres mask being not good. What do you suggest for that one, I've been trying to hunt down a better hat, but honestly the 10 eva for 150K is a lot better than 10 eva for 2-3 million... I like to save SOME of my money =P

enmity- setup is pointless /nin, if you pull hate you help tank, wivre mask is crap because you're wearing a DD setup and there are a bunch of better heads for DD setups.. hell, emp pin is free and arguably better for both DD and evasion

**Diamicles** · 2009-02-03 22:33

I carry 5 sets at all time: Haste, WS, Healing, Store TP, and Evasion (a mix of these sets also serves as a max accuracy set, but I hardly need something like that). Please, man up and carry all of them if you are going to be a decent dancer.

also: DONT TP IN AF EVER

**Massimo** · 2009-02-03 22:37

Originally Posted by urat

Hold up... How the hell does someone on cerb get my current armor? Or does the pol thing have this screen? hmmm

You can't be serious..

**urat** · 2009-02-03 22:38

Originally Posted by Diamicles

I carry 5 sets at all time: Haste, WS, Healing, Store TP, and Evasion (a mix of these sets also serves as a max accuracy set, but I hardly need something like that). Please, man up and carry all of them if you are going to be a decent dancer.

Sometimes I end up doing that, but if the leader wants me to tank, why would I bring my crows? Or if I'm healing, why would I bring DD?

Takes one minute to dump the other stuff, less if I'm already ready, and I'm generally first person to pt spot.

I'll reply to other post separately cause gonna take bit of quoting...

**Thorny** · 2009-02-03 22:47

Originally Posted by urat

Sometimes I end up doing that, but if the leader wants me to tank, why would I bring my crows? Or if I'm healing, why would I bring DD?

Takes one minute to dump the other stuff, less if I'm already ready, and I'm generally first person to pt spot.

I'll reply to other post separately cause gonna take bit of quoting...

if you're healing you should be DDing between cures, you never need crow anyway.. shitty points

**Yugl** · 2009-02-03 22:49

Originally Posted by urat

Well tbh you were lookign at armor I was wearing while campaigning...

You could have saved yourself a bunch of trouble by leaving it at this. No one cares about what anyone wears while campaigning!

**urat** · 2009-02-03 22:49