Ghorn, Aegis? Help me decide.

[SubzeroDiabolos]

Our linkshell is currently debating on what to upgrade as our first relic, shield or ghorn?

Stuff to know: We don't do HNMs - We don't have alot of black mages to refresh - both persons have never missed an event - paladin has better gears/merits to his job than bard does.

If you guys want more infos ask. Any inputs appreciated.

EDIT FOR THE PEOPLE FLYING THROUGH POST:
Weapons are not an option. neither is selling coins.

[Telamond]

If you don't do HNMs then neither is really that needed. Sell currency to cash in for your members.

[Howard Roark]

as with any relic: just store the currency until you have enough to do the whole thing so you don't change your mind with a stage 3/4 on your hands

people quit, cause drama, change their mind, shell breaks, account gets hacked/banned, shell sucks and never actually gets around to completing said relic


fast forward about a year and you're ready to go? imo start with an aegis, do ghorn after

[SubzeroDiabolos]

We aren't going to actually upgrade anything until we have enough currency.

Thing to add: She already has the paper from beaucedine

And even if we don't do HNMs that doesn't mean we never do anything that can hit relatively hard or require mp. We're planning on going something like Shield or horn > opposite of choice #1 > weapon > rinse and repeat.

EDIT: it seems i'm trying to turn it to my favor (who wouldn't =P) I would like the most neutral opinion possible of people please, what's the most logical thing to do.

[Meat]

The benefits of an aegis is easily duplicated and hell even surpassed by various gear swaps. You're gonna get more out of the horn or a wep

[Tsuko_Asura]

Excalibur

[SubzeroDiabolos]

Oh? Please do elaborate.

[Tekki]

Excalibur

And from someone who has both Sword/Shield, do horn.

[SubzeroDiabolos]

That's cool you're pretty much the only one I wanted opinion from Tek hahaha.

[Vail]

And from someone who has both Sword/Shield, do horn.

words can't express my level of respect for you saying that. (god damn the truth is beautiful)

[Tsuko_Asura]

Gjallarhorn is definitely handy, but there are so many ways to get MP back these days, I don't see it making a bigger difference than a properly equipped Excalibur.

Speculatory of course, as I have neither of them, but I feel the logic behind it is pretty sound.

[astura]

Well if you cut down to it both are just huge inventory savers. Aegis means a lot less inventory dedicated to a magic reduction set. Horn saves lugging around a lot of instrument's. Outside that your looking at benefiting one tank with something they can achieve with more gear vr a bard effecting a entire party and slightly better land rate on elegy. It really depends on where you feel the best use for the linkshell as a whole is needed. If its for the ls horn>aegis is what i would argue but do take into account the quality of the player getting the item. Why give one of the best items to a player unless they will try to make the best use of it possible.

[frodnonnag]

Well if you cut down to it both are just huge inventory savers. Aegis means a lot less inventory dedicated to a magic reduction set. Horn saves lugging around a lot of instrument's. Outside that your looking at benefiting one tank with something they can achieve with more gear vr a bard effecting a entire party and slightly better land rate on elegy. It really depends on where you feel the best use for the linkshell as a whole is needed. If its for the ls horn>aegis is what i would argue but do take into account the quality of the player getting the item. Why give one of the best items to a player unless they will try to make the best use of it possible.

hotswapping bards is a thing of beauty. shield will benefit one or two players jobs (the tank and their main healer), while the horn can easily be passed around an entire alliance like the high class hooker she is. mages will kiss ass for the refresh, and melees e-peen will rupture over the higher damage output, horn would just be more benefit for more people.

although, on that note, it also depends on the solid reputation of the members up for these items, you don't want a year's worth of work to get finished, then up and walk away.

[Rajwa]

Poll your LS, see which they want more. Or think of which relic will help kill more/faster so you will get more coins in the future, which ultimately results in faster relics.

[pchan]

If you do HNMs then neither is really that needed. Sell currency to cash in for your members.

fixed.

[Xanthe]

melees e-peen will rupture over the higher damage output

Gjallarhorn doesn't offer anything for melee songs that any other HQ instrument already does, save for the +10/10 skill that may potentially break tier on marches. Everything else is easily capped without a Gjallarhorn. Ballad+2 is the point, and the point is Ballad+2.

[Kymberry]

The people being considered for the shield/Horn are both reliable, and have good reputations for the most part one is the LS owner and the other a LS leader, so both have put much effort into the Linkshell. So as for concerns regarding who should get it cause of that, isn't really an issue ^.^!

Mainly we are curious to know which is honestly better. I personally want to make sure we do the best one for the Linkshell! Thanks for your posts.

[kayn]

Do neither. Shield is little more than epeen for elite players an horn is a neat item that dooms the player with it for all eternity. As cool as both items sound, I'd find a dedicated mele and do a weapon.

edit: if you really want to do something for the pld, get him/her the burtgang. As crappy as the mythics are, can't really complain about the stats listed on the weapon.

[Lordwafik]

To answer your original question about which would benefit LS more out of Horn or Shield, the horn would benefit more - shield's only good for tanking, horn can go to the blm pt / melee party / healer party / tank party and become very diverse all round.


Now a personal opinion of someone who had over 10 relics in his LS before we got BAMMED, the "utility" relics were both pretty meh in comparison to the weapons. We too were a non HNMLS , endgame events yes, but the only real HNM we killed was Ixion, and even then we didn't do it many times. If you're like my LS where a lot of your events revolve around Dynamis/Limbus/Nyzul/Salvage/ZNM/Sea & Sky farms and the sort, a weapon did a great deal more due to faster killspeeds and bigger skillchains - all that time adds up. On the other hand if you manaburn everything (we didn't) then different story.

To me I found the Mandau and Amanomurakumos in our LS to give us more DD power thus more killspeed in our regular events. One of our most excellent geared up tanks who has everything but Aegis/Haut basically has zero problems keeping up (and sometimes out tanking) the Aegis tank.
G.horn was basically in the same category for me : "meh". Sure it was nice for some unique things, for example JoJ where we had 1 G.horn + Refresh + Evoker's roll for the BLM pt, and they didn't even have to rest (we just used 2 blms for that fight and they didn't run out of MP, the other blms were waiting for them to run out of MP, but instead just spammed nukes on justice himself because the other 2 blms mp were filling up nicely), but on the general it was unimpressive.

Remember I am from a perspective of not touching HNMs - the highest we did were T4 ZNM, JoL, Ixion, KS99 mobs. I am not sure how super duper either of these relics are on HNMs, but from my experience with them I doubt they're anything special unless you are setting yourself up for artificial challenges such as low manning.

[noodles355]

People are calling the shield just an inv space saver due to the Magic Dmg- on it, what about all that jazz about blocking like a size 1 and eating dmg like a size 4? that's got to be worth something.

And what Xanthe said, Gjaller is just a space saver and MP+ tool. It may push you up a tier on march, but all I can say is "sweet! another 0.02% haste!"